Crazy is a relative concept. You're not crazy. Everyone else is. -----Original Message----- From: julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx Sender: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:04:00 To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: A very goofy gremlin Thanks Lee, At least you don't think I am crazy. On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Lee <robilee1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Julie, > > I also have a 71 and every time I have one of those oddball electrical > issues it turns out to be a cruddy or loose connection somewhere, so I > think you are on the right track with that. It is most often a bad ground > connection. The reason that the horn is probably fixing the problem is that > cruddy and loose connections get resistive. Chances are that when you toot > the horn the current flow from that is enough to temporarily break down > that resistance so the circuit works again. > > I'm the world best mechanic, but I do know a bit about the electrical side > of the world having spent quite a few years working in that field. Bad > grounds sometime produce very very weird symptoms. We once had a customer > whose computer crashed every time someone flushed the toilet and it turned > out that a recent plumbing repair had resulted in a short section of his > iron sewer line being replaced with PVC. Since his computer was grounded to > that iron pipe that was no longer actually grounded (PVC doesn't conduct > electricity) whenever a toilet was flushed the rushing water through the > line would temporarily bridge that PVC gap and the change in grounding > crashed his system. By comparison Donner's symptoms seem pretty straight > forward! Also, you mentioned not getting spark. That would have noting to > do with a fuel problem. > > I don't normally participate in these discussions, but thought maybe on > this occasion I might be able to add something. Good luck. Finding a faulty > ground can be extremely difficult. > > Regards, > Lee > Sent from my PDP-8 > > On Dec 18, 2011, at 6:05 AM, julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx wrote: > > Twice when I couldn't start him I undid the fuel line from the carb and > fuel flowed through when trying to start him. He does not have a fuel > problem. > > And just to explain how I came about knowing that the horn is capable of > helping when I have starting problems, the first time that I couldn't start > him I checked for loose wires and anything else that could be the culprit. > I would fiddle around try to start him and he would turn over but not > fire. I tried the lights and the wipers and the horn just to see if the > battery was giving enough power or if they were wimpier than they should > be. They were fine. Right after trying the horn I tried starting him and > he fired right up. My mom was there with me and we laughed and laughed > because it seemed as if the horn had something to do with it but at that > time I did believe that it was a coincidence. When this gremlin appeared > after that I would try all of the other things I could think of, like loose > wires and checking the fuel flow... and then I said to myself, what the > heck, try the horn and bingo! After tooting the horn he would start. I > was still skeptical but I would thank my lucky stars and now that this has > happened so many times I know for a fact that somehow the horn works like a > defibrillator. > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:35 PM, J Duncan <whocanduncan1@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: > >> Have you tried to override the horn's switch? >> >> Still be it's fuel, or lack thereof. >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM, <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Donner embodies the Christmas spirit (even though he was not named after >>> a reindeer but after the folks that resorted to cannibalism). He doesn't >>> have any Christmas lights. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:27 PM, atxan <atx_bus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>> Is this happening with or with out your Christmas lights being plugged >>>> in? >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> Sent via iPhone >>>> >>>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 8:58 PM, julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx wrote: >>>> >>>> The horn is NOT a coincidence! And the fuel filter has been changed >>>> recently, the problem was before and after that. I have checked the fuel >>>> pump in the past too. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Duncan <whocanduncan1@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: >>>> >>>>> ** >>>>> My bet is tyhe horn is a coincidence. >>>>> >>>>> Replace the fuel filter. >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: * julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx >>>>> *Sender: * tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> *Date: *Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:20:21 -0600 >>>>> *To: *<tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> *ReplyTo: * tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> *Subject: *[tcb] A very goofy gremlin >>>>> >>>>> I enjoy gremlins. They challenge me. But I have one that I can't >>>>> beat in my '71. And I thought I had. He is chuckling loudly right now. >>>>> >>>>> I have electronic ignition and this one has been in this Bus for >>>>> 95,000 miles. And the horn is no longer the button in the steering wheel, >>>>> it is a button off to the side and it has been this way for years. >>>>> Otherwise this is a stock Bus, 1600 dual port, nothing unusual. >>>>> >>>>> Sometimes he won't start. But I discovered that if I toot his horn >>>>> then he will start right up, or he will stall and not start until the horn >>>>> is tooted. This has been happening very intermittently since June. It >>>>> always happens on the way home, never first drive of the day, always after >>>>> 5 o'clock (this may or may not be a clue). He never does this when there >>>>> is a mechanic or a VW friend that has knowledge greater than mine is >>>>> around. I did bring him to my mechanic a couple of months ago and he >>>>> cleaned up all of the corroded wiring that was hiding behind the dash. It >>>>> was really green and crumbly and nasty back there. We thought that would >>>>> have done away with the gremlin. >>>>> >>>>> I was just a my mechanic's Tuesday morning and we were addressing >>>>> another problem. Donner drove the 70 miles there perfectly. On the way >>>>> to >>>>> work after the mechanic at one point on the highway it was like we were >>>>> cruising along at a sprint and then suddenly there was a significant lose >>>>> of power, I drifted into the gas station because I needed gas anyways so >>>>> once he was filled up, he started up and made it to work like nothing >>>>> happened. After work he drove 40 miles with no problems. And then at >>>>> midnight when I was heading home he stalled in the first 1/4 mile. >>>>> Started >>>>> only after tooting the horn. On the highway there were times when I would >>>>> have sudden stepping down loses of power, like I was an Olympic sprinter, >>>>> then a high school middle distance runner, then an out of shape jogger and >>>>> then stall. I have never run out of gas but I assume you would just feel a >>>>> vehicle slow smoothly as the gas runs out? It wasn't like that. And then >>>>> honk the horn and I would be able to start up again. One time as I was >>>>> going through these sudden loses of power I honked the horn and it was >>>>> like >>>>> a rocket booster, he went back to normal for a little while. So today I >>>>> was just going down the road a bit so I thought I would see how Donner >>>>> behaves. I figured if worse came to worse I can just keep doing my >>>>> honking >>>>> trick and make it home, this trick has consistently worked. But no. When >>>>> I was going to head home, he wouldn't start. I honked and honked and >>>>> honked. Nothing. My mechanic had me put the key in the on position and >>>>> un-connect the solenoid on the carb and it clicked so I was getting power >>>>> there. And then he had me un-plug the wire that goes to the middle of the >>>>> distributor cap and my mom would have the engine turn over while I held >>>>> the >>>>> wire near metal and no spark, none at all. So I could not do the pop the >>>>> clutch trick to get started. My mechanic figured it must be the >>>>> electronic >>>>> ignition. So I called AAA. While waiting the hour for the tow truck I >>>>> fiddled more and more and tooted the horn and tried and tried to get him >>>>> started. Towed him home. As soon as the tow truck left the driveway I >>>>> turned Donner's key, wouldn't start, wouldn't start, wouldn't start. Toot >>>>> the horn and he starts right up. >>>>> >>>>> My mechanic says that electronic ignition problems aren't >>>>> intermittent. It either works or it doesn't. >>>>> >>>>> I will try to make the 70 mile journey to my mechanic next week but I >>>>> was wondering if you guys have any ideas on how to slay this gremlin or at >>>>> least chase him a few states away. The electronic ignition? The ignition >>>>> switch (this one is about 2 years old)? Constantly beep the horn until >>>>> someone shoots me? Any other ideas? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >