I suspect you are utterly wrong about that one Barry. Funding of satnav with ATW goes far beyond visually impaired users. In particular, people with specific learning difficulties such as dyslexia and dyspraxia often ask for GPS systems to reassure them when walking or driving around complex road networks by giving them spoken directions which can be helpful if they have difficulty reading maps. It could be argued that the needs of visually impaired people are quite different as we have already discussed on this list, hence the greater price of the GPS navigation systems designed for visually impaired people I think it is probably well off topic for this list to argue about the rights and wrongs of Access to Work providing funding for specially designed satnav systems. People should take that one up with their referring officers and perhaps discuss it on a more GPS related list. Regards Graham Graham Page Home Phone: 0207 265 9493 Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barry Hill Sent: 26 November 2010 09:46 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: When will Talks work with OVI Maps? Perhaps this is because they have found out about the Wayfinder refund that I assume went to the owner of the mobile rather than back to ATW in cases where they paid for it. I'm guessing that they don't want to get themselves in a similar position again. Still, this isn't a good argument as it only refers to Wayfinder. What they should be doing is not funding Wayfinder. Cheers B -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin Sent: 25 November 2010 4:08 PM To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: When will Talks work with OVI Maps? At the moment ATW have just been given a new policy, not to fund sat' nav' access tech. This is, of course, a deal-breaker with access tech as expensive as it is. Call me cynical, but I do suspect some of these prices are only sustained by ATW's willingness to pay them. Once the cash-cow of ATW dries up, prices will have to be within the reach of those of us paying them. If I'm right then this may be another way in which we are heading in the right direction, might it not? -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page Sent: 25 November 2010 13:56 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: When will Talks work with OVI Maps? Yes the premium we pay for gPS access is simply too much. Morally of course we should pay no more than anyone else. Everyone would agree with that in an ideal world so I can swallow the price of a product like a handheld GPS system being £200 or so rather than the £120 or so paid for by a sighted person but effective stand alone systems are still 5 times what a sighted person would pay and, though I understand the reasons why, this is a far from satisfactory situation. If you can cope with touch screens then the apple IPhone looks the most likely winner at the moment. Otherwise you are talking stand alone products which are still 5 times dearer than an equivalent that a sighted person may use. We are heading in the right direction though. I think Trekker cost about £1100 when it was first launched with the Pro version including a suite of programs called Maistro costing about £1300. So prices have dropped a bit but there is further to go in this area! Graham Page Home Phone: 0207 265 9493 Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin Sent: 25 November 2010 09:31 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: When will Talks work with OVI Maps? So Ifone is doing well with gps as well as so much else? Sounds like Apple is on the verge of shaking up access tech altogether. Not before time, in my view; the sooner Apple make other developers get real about the acceptability of serially ripping off people with access needs, the better for us all. V interesting thread. Thanks everyone A -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian McNamara Sent: 25 November 2010 03:43 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: When will Talks work with OVI Maps? yep i agree but there needs to be something now i mean the iphone has free or four diffrent accesssable apps allready for g p s so it is beating talks hands down in that reguard and it is newer as well. talks do need to try and catch up really as quick as possible or ells a lot of people are going to be left with out a viyable option. Ian McNamara No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3274 - Release Date: 11/24/10 19:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3274 - Release Date: 11/24/10 19:34:00