Sorry; wasn't meaning to be controversial. A -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: 25 November 2010 12:47 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: When will Talks work with OVI Maps? Amy, Apple is not shaking up anything, they are not forcing developers to do anything and the maximum limit of what they are doing is encouragement. apple through a highly vigerous and structured process force developers to make applications to their standards, these standards if strictly adhered to make it possible to differing levels of success for their screen reader Voice Over to access those applications. but as I keep trying to say, just because you can access the application in terms of getting your foot in the door, doesn't make the whole application accessible. I keep hearing that apps on the Apple iPhone are all accessible, they are not, in part many of them are, but many of them disappoint, leaving you able to perhaps read titles and buttons, but do nothing with that. On 25 Nov 2010, at 09:30, Amie Slavin wrote: So Ifone is doing well with gps as well as so much else? Sounds like Apple is on the verge of shaking up access tech altogether. Not before time, in my view; the sooner Apple make other developers get real about the acceptability of serially ripping off people with access needs, the better for us all. V interesting thread. Thanks everyone A -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian McNamara Sent: 25 November 2010 03:43 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: When will Talks work with OVI Maps? yep i agree but there needs to be something now i mean the iphone has free or four diffrent accesssable apps allready for g p s so it is beating talks hands down in that reguard and it is newer as well. talks do need to try and catch up really as quick as possible or ells a lot of people are going to be left with out a viyable option. Ian McNamara No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3274 - Release Date: 11/24/10 19:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3274 - Release Date: 11/24/10 19:34:00