Hussein, No worries at all, TalkNav is part of the eHosting Group. I'm not offended so don't worry about it. Neil Barnfather TalkNav TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? www.talknav.com www.wayfinderaccess.com Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa Sent: 12 January 2010 22:32 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access discontinued Hi Neil, Thanks for your reply. I get the impression you weren't too thrilled with my previous post, and I'm sorry if you felt I was insinuating anything by questioning TalkNav. Interested and versed in business as I am, it's in my nature to question everything. This even more so as, as you said, this is a specialist product for the visually impaired in mind. Therefore, the thought of anyone taking over development would ring some alarm bells with regard to the new owner's ability to continue providing the high levels of support and infrastructure customers expect. You mention TalkNav is owned by the third largest hosting provider. Would it be violating privacy regulations to ask who that is? Whereas I personally have no need to feel any concern about the cesation of Wayfinder Access development, it's clearly a hot topic amongst those who do have a stake in it, and I was interested in purely an academic sense in knowing about the potential new owner. Nevertheless, as you indicated the topic seems mute now as Vodafone has made their decision. I won't offend you either way by giving my own opinion on this. Apologies again, _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not be connected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to calling. Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this if required. All calls may be recorded for fact verification. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Copying or distribution in any form is not permitted without the prior consent of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and any attachments from your system and notify the sender immediately. Thank you for your co-operation. Protect our trees; Do not print unless absolutely necessary. Save paper by deleting sections of the message which are not relevant. From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:42 PM To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access discontinued Hussein, We have not ever developed any products for Symbian, however are owned by a multinational, third largest hosting business in Europe, thus have a vast array of experience in development and finding development staff. For this project we had teamed up with a partner who has a world class reputation in developing GPS products for the blind and were very confident that we could continue the product in a conscientious and thought out manner. Either way, development and specialist support is surely better than none at all? Either way this is irrelevant as Vodafone have made their choice. Neil Barnfather TalkNav TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? www.talknav.com www.wayfinderaccess.com Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa Sent: 12 January 2010 18:59 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access discontinued Hi, Thinking with my business hat on, do TalkNav have any software development experience to date? Are there any products it has developed in house (software) that have successfully been brought to market? Just curious. Also, it is important to note that there are many factors that affect business decisions. It's a maze of influences, priorities, stakes, etc. Without hearing from both sides of the story, it's probably best to hold judgement for now. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not be connected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to calling. Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this if required. All calls may be recorded for fact verification. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Copying or distribution in any form is not permitted without the prior consent of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and any attachments from your system and notify the sender immediately. Thank you for your co-operation. Protect our trees; Do not print unless absolutely necessary. Save paper by deleting sections of the message which are not relevant. From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:28 PM To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access discontinued Eleanor, We originally were negotiating to purchase Access from the highest person in Vodafone Group, who had complete charge of their online product range. There was no-one higher to dispute or argue this with. The decision is made, whilst we might have a fight to have if they?d just cancelled Access, the fact that they wrote the lot off makes that harder. It doesn?t excuse not allowing us to take it on, but there is more to this than any of us really know, of that I?m sure of. Neil Barnfather TalkNav TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? www.talknav.com www.wayfinderaccess.com Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 12 January 2010 12:20 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: WayFinder Access discontinued You have had a lot of success yourself with Vodafone Paul, why don't you test the water and try and speak to someone in Management> ----- Original Message ----- From: All formats To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: WayFinder Access discontinued Not good at all. It tells us all we need to know right now. So, a response from individuals and collectively now would be good. ________________________________________ From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Jarvis Sent: 12 January 2010 05:58 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] WayFinder Access discontinued I imagine existing customers will be able to use the existing service, but this is now on the WayFinder website http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3985 Dear Customer, Thank you for visiting Wayfinder and your interest in our products. We appreciate your interest, as our success is built upon developing services and products that are valuable to you, the customer. We have been working hard on this for many years and due to the high quality of our products, we have now been acquired by Vodafone to make and develop products for Vodafone Internet Services. It is because of our new status as part of the Vodafone Group we will not be further developing Wayfinder products, beyond their current version. We understand that you may want to continue to use or purchase a Wayfinder product and so we will continue to sell Wayfinder Navigator Online through our mobile shop. Additional products such as Traffic Information and Safety Cameras as well as Maploader will still be available. However, there will no longer be any further developments for these products. We will still provide Wayfinder Navigator Online as we are confident it is a reliable and robust product, on all platforms. All other products that have been discontinued are listed below. The good news is if you are a Vodafone customer, you will find that Navigation is now built in to the New Vodafone 360 handsets and will soon be available for download or be pre-loaded on a large variety of handsets across Europe. 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