[talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
- From: "All formats" <allformats@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:41:37 +0100
Really? Not for the domestic market though surely?
I remember Voda and Celnet (O2) papping themselves and having to catch up
quite quickly which is partly why the offered the tariffs around the area
codes which you now have displayed on screen as standard.
You know. The 10p a call if you dialled an 0121 number in an 0121 area code.
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On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
Sent: 24 April 2009 10:12
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
Paul,
C.L.I. was out on Cell Net and Vodafone a good while before Orange even put
up their first transmitter, but hay, there you go.
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-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of All formats
Sent: 24 April 2009 09:30
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
Neil. Fantastic information. I used to read a lot of the mobile magazines
(sad git I know) and I had forgotten a lot of that stuff.
Orange definitely had one of the best customer service models in the early
days and that was one of the reasons as you say that they were as successful
as they were. It wasn't just the high quality knowledge of any one you
talked to in the company, it was all the additional stuff like being able to
find out where their coverage roll out was happening and their being upfront
about where the future developments were going to be. They also took the
whole thing of branding, marketing and loyalty reward schemes to a whole
new level to anything that was around at the time.
I think they were the first to offer "caller ID" and they had that line 2
option so you could have a business and home number on the same phone.
On the other hand, Vodafone had a presence way before the first truly mobile
phones we see today with their two way radio service and I think that was
somewhere in the 70s. So, they would have been more business focused by
default really as it would have been businesses like fleet transport that
would have used such a service.
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On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
Sent: 23 April 2009 16:51
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
Andy,
Likely to do with the method of cell tower deployment, O2 or Cell net as
they were along side Vodafone deployed originally in a grid style across the
UK, thus network coverage is more widely spread and low coverage areas are
less likely.
Orange and One 2 One as they were now T-Mobile deployed in a radial fashion
spurting out from town / city centres. This of course keeping costs down
whilst offering the maximum coverage buy population.
Have you ever seen the phrase 99.9% of the UK population covered, of course
this term originally coined by T-Mobile / One 2 One in the early days, and
later Orange. This of course misleading as it implies lots of coverage, but
with vast amounts of the UK population being in cities / towns, it doesn't
mean 99% of the UK which it could be mistaken to mean.
3 Have repeated Orange and T-Mobile's method, with even more distance,
afforded to them by newer technology in cell towers.
I rather suspect like Paul, that the reason more partners exist with
T-Mobile is not due to their incredible network or customer services, but
more the cost parameters they afford to those partner networks.
O2 and Vodafone have long been the business users network's of choice, due
to their overall network performance and reliability, supported of course by
their higher plans and tariff charges, Orange / T-Mobile being more aimed at
the consumer and bargain savvier home user. With 3 having all the teaming
issues that One 2 One had all those years ago. Ask how many business users
opt for 3 and you'll see my point.
I think that Orange didn't suffer as much from the bad press as One 2 one
did, as orange were innovators with their pioneering technology and features
along side quality customer service staff.
Hope that this helps in some way... PS, used to work for Nokia's network
infrastructure / deployment division, so have a little knowledge on these
things.
Neil Barnfather
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS
Sent: 23 April 2009 09:51
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
Don't want to start a best coverage debate, but I have found that T-Mobile
have better coverage than Orange. What I'd like to know however, is why so
many other people seem to have coverage on Cross Country and Virgin trains,
when for me with T-Mobile [and it was as bad with Orange] I get hardly any!
Is it anything to do with hand sets? Are non-Nokia phones more powerful when
it comes to picking up connection? I'm guessing not, but can't figure out
why I get such poor coverage while others phones are ringing out all the
time! -
Andy
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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:29 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
> It is ironic.
>
> Umm! Let's see now? Why don't we go with the UK service with the
> worst coverage we can which will entice our customers to stick with us...
Not!
>
> When T-mobile were one2one, we used to call them one2none as no one
> could get coverage with them but, only had their handsets because the
> tariffs were so good. But, then, they had to be to attract people
> even though they would never be able to use their minutes but, then at
> least, they could feel good about thinking they had a good deal.
>
> I don't like T-mobile! Not that anyone would have guessed.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Mark Brett
> Sent: 22 April 2009 17:59
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> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
> Yes they are using orange but part of that agreement is that they stop
> using O2. What is even more ironic is that they are going to network
> share with T-Mobile.
>
> Mark Brett
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> -original message-
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
> From: "All formats" <allformats@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 22/04/2009 15:09
>
>
> I think three are tied in with Orange, but, not absolutely sure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Mark Brett
> Sent: 22 April 2009 14:19
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> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
> People who are using the 3 network may not have coverage in some areas
> because in september i think it is the deal they have with O2 comes to
> an end.
>
> Mark Brett
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> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: 22/04/2009 13:16
>
>
> Hi Andy.
>
> I'm not making any promises about whether you will or will not be charged.
> I've never been charged for WFA on payg, but then when I've been on
> contract which has been from June last year, I've always paid for an
> unlimited data plan. If you've an unlocked phone, by all means pop in
> to a three store and pick up a payg sim or if you want L10
> complementary credit you can buy the sim online. Either way, its not
> a major investment and you can trial three for yourself to see if it
> is free to use WFA.
>
> All the best, Ibrahim.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ANDY COLLINS" <Andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:49 PM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
>
>> Hi Ibrahim -
>>
>> Is this to say then, that one could have a PAYG or sim contract with
>> three, and not get charged for moderate use of WFA? I would be
>> interested if this were the case -
>>
>> Andy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:58 AM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>
>>
>>> Hi Saqib.
>>>
>>> The reason three don't charge you is because you use only small
>>> amounts of data daily. If you surf the open internet, download a
>>> large file etc you will be charged however three do realise that
>>> some smartphones connect to the internet for services as part of
>>> their setup but the data consumption is so small that they aren't
>>> too concerned. Wayfinder falls in to this catagory as its data use
>>> is comparitively small. If you are getting something for nothing,
>>> don't let on to three. I pay for my web access to the tune of L5
>>> per month on my contract, however I do use it heavily downloading a
>>> lot of audio and video content however I've never gone over any limits.
>>>
>>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Saqib" <saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:04 AM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi. Three don't block internet access and further more they don't
>>>> charge
>
>>>> as I've never bin charged for any data. I had noticed the non
>>>> charge of data a couple of months back.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:08 AM
>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought 3 was like that but am not quite sure any more because
>>>>> I've also herd that this is no longer the case.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>>> Sent: 22 April 2009 10:07
>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could someone please clarify this for me fairly quickly, pretty
>>>>> please?
>>>>> (smile).
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding is that one or two networks don't allow
>>>>> connection to the Wayfinder Access server on Pay-As-You-Go. Does
>>>>> anyone know comprehensively which networks don't allow or block
>>>>> it, and whether this is on contract or top-up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any info appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>>> Email: Jackie.Cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound
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