Neil - This is most useful to read, and makes sense of what has been puzzling me; many thanks -
Andy----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Barnfather" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
Andy, Likely to do with the method of cell tower deployment, O2 or Cell net asthey were along side Vodafone deployed originally in a grid style across theUK, thus network coverage is more widely spread and low coverage areas are less likely.Orange and One 2 One as they were now T-Mobile deployed in a radial fashionspurting out from town / city centres. This of course keeping costs down whilst offering the maximum coverage buy population.Have you ever seen the phrase 99.9% of the UK population covered, of coursethis term originally coined by T-Mobile / One 2 One in the early days, andlater Orange. This of course misleading as it implies lots of coverage, butwith vast amounts of the UK population being in cities / towns, it doesn't mean 99% of the UK which it could be mistaken to mean. 3 Have repeated Orange and T-Mobile's method, with even more distance, afforded to them by newer technology in cell towers. I rather suspect like Paul, that the reason more partners exist with T-Mobile is not due to their incredible network or customer services, but more the cost parameters they afford to those partner networks. O2 and Vodafone have long been the business users network's of choice, dueto their overall network performance and reliability, supported of course by their higher plans and tariff charges, Orange / T-Mobile being more aimed atthe consumer and bargain savvier home user. With 3 having all the teaming issues that One 2 One had all those years ago. Ask how many business users opt for 3 and you'll see my point. I think that Orange didn't suffer as much from the bad press as One 2 onedid, as orange were innovators with their pioneering technology and featuresalong side quality customer service staff. Hope that this helps in some way... PS, used to work for Nokia's network infrastructure / deployment division, so have a little knowledge on these things. Neil Barnfather WFA List Administrator Talks List HostTalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility and Wayfinder Access dealer / distributor,with product activation codes delivered direct to your mailbox why not use TalkNav today? http://www.talknav.com service@xxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS Sent: 23 April 2009 09:51 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks Don't want to start a best coverage debate, but I have found that T-Mobile have better coverage than Orange. What I'd like to know however, is why somany other people seem to have coverage on Cross Country and Virgin trains, when for me with T-Mobile [and it was as bad with Orange] I get hardly any! Is it anything to do with hand sets? Are non-Nokia phones more powerful whenit comes to picking up connection? I'm guessing not, but can't figure out why I get such poor coverage while others phones are ringing out all the time! - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "All formats" <allformats@xxxxxxxxx> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networksIt is ironic. Umm! Let's see now? Why don't we go with the UK service with the worst coverage we can which will entice our customers to stick with us... Not! When T-mobile were one2one, we used to call them one2none as no one could get coverage with them but, only had their handsets because the tariffs were so good. But, then, they had to be to attract people even though they would never be able to use their minutes but, then at least, they could feel good about thinking they had a good deal. I don't like T-mobile! Not that anyone would have guessed. Cheers. Paul -----Original Message-----From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mark Brett Sent: 22 April 2009 17:59 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks Yes they are using orange but part of that agreement is that they stop using O2. What is even more ironic is that they are going to network share with T-Mobile. Mark Brett This e-mail was produced on a Nokia N82 E-mail: markbrett@xxxxxxxxxx Home: 08712221267 Fax: 08704422678 SMS: 07962432222 Mobile: 08713159900 and 07092226226 -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks From: "All formats" <allformats@xxxxxxxxx> Date: 22/04/2009 15:09 I think three are tied in with Orange, but, not absolutely sure. -----Original Message-----From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mark Brett Sent: 22 April 2009 14:19 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks People who are using the 3 network may not have coverage in some areas because in september i think it is the deal they have with O2 comes to an end. Mark Brett This e-mail was produced on a Nokia N82 E-mail: markbrett@xxxxxxxxxx Home: 08712221267 Fax: 08704422678 SMS: 07962432222 Mobile: 08713159900 and 07092226226 -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx> Date: 22/04/2009 13:16 Hi Andy.I'm not making any promises about whether you will or will not be charged.I've never been charged for WFA on payg, but then when I've been on contractwhich has been from June last year, I've always paid for an unlimited dataplan. If you've an unlocked phone, by all means pop in to a three store andpick up a payg sim or if you want L10 complementary credit you can buy thesim online. Either way, its not a major investment and you can trial three for yourself to see if it is free to use WFA. All the best, Ibrahim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDY COLLINS" <Andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networksHi Ibrahim - Is this to say then, that one could have a PAYG or sim contract with three, and not get charged for moderate use of WFA? I would be interested if this were the case - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networksHi Saqib. The reason three don't charge you is because you use only small amounts of data daily. If you surf the open internet, download a large file etc you will be charged however three do realise that some smartphones connect to the internet for services as part of their setup but the data consumption is so small that they aren't too concerned. Wayfinder falls in to this catagory as its data use is comparitively small. If you are getting something for nothing, don't let on to three. I pay for my web access to the tune of L5 per month on my contract, however I do use it heavily downloading a lot of audio and video content however I've never gone over any limits. All the best, Ibrahim. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saqib" <saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networksHi. Three don't block internet access and further more they don't chargeas I've never bin charged for any data. I had noticed the non charge of data a couple of months back. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:08 AM To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networksHi, I thought 3 was like that but am not quite sure any more because I've also herd that this is no longer the case. -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: 22 April 2009 10:07 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Wayfinder Access and mobile networks Could someone please clarify this for me fairly quickly, pretty please? (smile). My understanding is that one or two networks don't allow connection to the Wayfinder Access server on Pay-As-You-Go. Does anyone know comprehensively which networks don't allow or block it, and whether this is on contract or top-up? Any info appreciated. 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