Hi All This is all personal preference really isn't it? I mean for me personally I don't care if they have good knowledge on disability because I'm independent and very patient and I would rather find out what's available myself rather than relying on the phone company because they are often just glorified sales people who don't necessarily know everything that they should - but I'm sure a lot of blind people would just rather deal with the phone company and the phone come ready for use which is fair enough. But even on a dedicated disability department it still comes down to that persons knowledge and also the questions you ask, just because Mr Smith works for the disability dept it doesn't mean that he knows all about Talks for example as he might have only dealt primarily with deaf people etc etc, at the end of the day the best people equipped for advice on accessibility needs are people that primarily focus on that area that applies to your needs - the likes of Comp Room and TalkNav for example or RNIB, Action for blind etc etc depending on what your trying to achieve. I would rather deal with the phone company as just a network provider just like a normal person and I'll sort Talks and a phone myself and the only times I phone the network is to negotiate my next tariff! Everyone has different preferences and different needs just like a network and tariff that suits me wont be the same as someone else because I may have a preferred network and cheap deal due to my loyalty, I prefer to get Talks sorted myself and through a dealer such as Steve or Neil but some like to get it all sorted through their network provider - it's horses for courses isn't it.... Or as I like to say - Tomato, Potato :-) were all different and that's what makes us interesting :-) If it were my choice I would not have a dedicated department, I would just like the option of a newly blind/partially sighted individual to be able to say to the normal staff - "oh I just realised, I'm blind. Can I have a phone that is accessible please?" and the staff simply access a accessibility tab on their system and wholla all the info is there for them to inform you with. No need for specially trained staff which wouldn't be any better (unless they only dealt with blind people all the time so their info was up to date anyway) But hey, if we didn't all have our opinions we would just be robots! And we've all seen that doesn't end well unless Arnie is on your side LOL! Cheers Pete -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Re: T-mobile disbands Disability Services Team! From: "Hussein Patwa" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 11/12/2009 1:10 pm Hi, Not to cast aspersions on anyone, but whereas this may seem to be a negative move on the surface, I think a large part of the 'service' people experience from any company is the way the person themselves interacts with the company. I personally have never had a problem with T-Mobile, and had even forgotten the disability team even existed. Then again, I'm usually quite patient and if there is something I know to be true that the operator does not, I'm usually willing to work with them to help them help me. I know this isn't always true of many customers, for a variety of reasons. I think it's important to understand that many people don't fully understand the full implications behind having a disability, whether that be access to information, understanding complex language, or being able to provide relevant feedback to an operator's queries. I would hope that T-Mobile would continue to offer the good service the majority of customers have had with them, but that customers too would play their part to maintaining that service. Thanks for the update in any case, as I said this is something I'd probably have never known about if I hadn't read it here. > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matt Brown > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:29 PM > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] T-mobile disbands Disability Services Team! > > Sorry, I know this isn't exactly Talks related, but it is never the > less > important to note, and does impact Talks users who are with T-mobile. > > T-mobile have recently disbanded the Disability Services Team that > customers > grew familiar with over the last 10 years. The only reason T-mobile > management were prepared to give me was that it was felt that the > company > was positively discriminating in favour of disabled customers, and so > the > decision was made to disband the department entirely. > > At present, calling 122 from your T-mobile will still route your call > to the > Northeast call centre, but I am told that eventually the only function > of > 122 will be to bypass the virtual menu system, and your call could be > answered by any customer service adviser at any T-mobile centre, even > if > that happens to be India or Philippines or wherever they may be. > > T-mobile will not state publicly that they guaranty there will not be > any > change to the level of customer service and knowledge the advisers have > regarding stuff like Talks, grade 1 or grade 2 Braille and other > disability > related issues. > > I think its important to remember that the Disability Services Team > answered > disability related calls day in, day out for over 10 years, whereas the > majority of the regular advisers will never have answered a disability > related call in their entire time with the company. This means that > they > will not acquire day-to-day knowledge and experience of dealing with VI > customers so I strongly suspect we can expect to see a reduction in the > quality of service from now on. > > Sorry to those of you who are not T-mobile customers, but this was the > only > way I knew to reach people. > > Don't be surprised if you call 122 and no longer hear the message about > being transferred to Disability Services, as there's no such department > any > more, there's no point in having that message now. > > That's all folks, sorry if this wasn't relevant to some of you. > > Matt > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4674 (20091209) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4678 (20091211) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com