the point is that most of the time I don't actually care what the screen looks like. I do use my IPhone for the extra apps such as radio tuner, gps navigation, a useable twitter app and the pdf reader but for ordinary mobile phone work i still choose to carry a phone with a keypad as it is quicker for making calls and texting. -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Harris Sent: 06 October 2011 13:55 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56 Hi, I have to admit I was very very dubious about a touch screen phone because how you use it compared to that of a normal phone as it were is significantly different. But having got an iphone 4 and progressed with it I find whilst some things may be a little slower at times, ie texting although I'm much faster now I've put voiceover in touch typing mode instead of double tap each letter, I find now I have very little problem with the device. The main thing is that it teaches you to fully explore what's on the screen where as a screen reader like talks jaws or whatever screen reader on whatever platform you can think of jumps to each element for you. Whether it be a link or text. You don't get to have a true appreciation of what the screen really looks like or it's layout. This is the majour differences I think between a touch screen interface and that of a normal keyboard. -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 06 October 2011 08:16 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56 Well Graham I think for a lot of blind people mobile phones with buttons are so important and this is where Talks is great. Not everyone wants a touch screen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:01 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56 > It's not directly talks related, but what apple has demonstrated, > unsurprisingly perhaps, is that building accessibility directly into > operating systems is the way to go. > > As great and important a product as Talks was, it has always been fighting > a > battle to keep up with accessibility of new phones. This problem could > still yet be the difficulty with adopting Android as a seriously > accessible > option. Apple is in fact being very aggressive indeed about patents and > this could according to some even mean the end of android. so top marks > to > apple for showing us a far more sustainable model of accessibility than > other manufacturers but crushing all other competition through aggressive > legal action is not so good. > > Regards > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke > Sent: 06 October 2011 07:39 > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56 > > Well I agree though I am not an iPhone user. It was sad and him so young. > Let us on the Talks list not forget Torston Brand, another great man who > did > > so much work for accessibility on mobile phones for blind people. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "darren harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:31 AM > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56 > > >> Well it has to be said voice over really does rock on the I phone. he did >> do >> a good job in getting it out there that's for sure. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >> On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav >> Sent: 06 October 2011 07:21 >> To: viphone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; macvisionaries@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; >> mobileaccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Talks Mailing List; >> talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; >> The Accessible Phones Discussion List >> Subject: [talks-uk] Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56 >> >> Dear All, >> >> Many of you may already be aware of the sad news of Steve Jobs passing, >> for >> those of you who are not, sadly, Steve has lost his ongoing battle >> against >> cancer. >> >> May I personally say that whilst the work involving Voice Over may not >> per-say have been under his direct control and influence, I'm sure that >> his >> overriding philosophies, expectations and essence shall have played a >> part, >> and made their unique way into the product that many of us use today. >> >> A truly remarkable, visionary and pioneer has been lost to us all on this >> day. >> >> Rest in peace Steve... >> >> Steve Jobs 1955 - 2011 >> >> Kindly. >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - service@xxxxxxxxxxx >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >