[talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56
- From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <forums@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:58:07 +0100
Graham,
Well Nokia have simply stated that they are committed to supporting Symbian
into 2016, but who knows what phones that will be on, buttons or not, qwerty or
keypad, etc, etc.
all I can say for now, is that I advise all our clients to hang on in there,
there is no need to jump just yet, and I've seen a lot of people jumping to the
likes of iPhone and Android, and yet there's really no need yet to do this.
Android for me is still a very much undeveloped option, with little to offer a
heavy user who wants a consistent experience, someone looking for a new phone
isn't going to yet get that... Code Factory's Mobile Accessibility requires a
keyboard or track all to use outside their closed specially developed
environment, and as such, this limits you to older devices and not the new
ones, which seem exclusively to be touch only.
Meaning you need a lot of sighted help to mix the use of TalkBack, Mobile
Accessibility and Shpeal etc. Just seems like a very unsolid, not quite
polished experience... why dump Symbian which we all know and understand with
Talks for that...
a kin to moving to Africa without any preparation or research, and finding out
when you get there that things maybe a whole lot ore pretty on the coast etc,
but its a whole lot less developed and things are not quite yet finished
everywhere you look.
The grass is not always greener you know...
iPhone itself has a lot to offer, yet seems to fail in the key important areas
of phone usage.
On 6 Oct 2011, at 09:07, Graham Page wrote:
Hi Neil.
This is interesting but how does it sit with a commitment to Windows phones
which they will be using for smart phones? If it meanst they will continue
to produce phones like the C5 which have more traditional keypads but
slightly less power then this is indeed useful.
They may not have all the latest features but if this is the plan they are
likely to be cheaper. There is I think great uncertainty at the moment and
this means that when upgrading a mobile phone it is difficult to know which
way to jump.
Regards
Graham
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Sent: 06 October 2011 08:42
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56
Graham,
Symbian will be around until at least 2016, nokia have commited to this, I
was at the press conference.
Regards,
Neil Barnfather
Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather
TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
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On 6 Oct 2011, at 08:35, Graham Page wrote:
I know that and agree with you entirely but if what nokia have said is to be
believed then fairly soon we will not be able to get new phones with symbian
at all so what choices will we have? There was a suggestion at one time
that Nokia was trying to buy TALKS. if Nokia had shown a real commitment
then Nokia would have been a better owner of Talks than Nuance if Nokia
built Talks into symbian itself. I prefer a mobile phone with buttons
myself. the IPhone is to my way of thinking a great small computer that
also includes a phone. I would like a phone that also includes some
computing options such as browsing the web and GPS but I simply don't see
anyone developing this. There are some android phones with Buttons. the
HTC ChaCha is arguably the most interesting of these phones at the moment
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 06 October 2011 08:16
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56
Well Graham
I think for a lot of blind people mobile phones with buttons are so
important and this is where Talks is great. Not everyone wants a touch
screen.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:01 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56
> It's not directly talks related, but what apple has demonstrated,
> unsurprisingly perhaps, is that building accessibility directly into
> operating systems is the way to go.
>
> As great and important a product as Talks was, it has always been fighting
> a
> battle to keep up with accessibility of new phones. This problem could
> still yet be the difficulty with adopting Android as a seriously
> accessible
> option. Apple is in fact being very aggressive indeed about patents and
> this could according to some even mean the end of android. so top marks
> to
> apple for showing us a far more sustainable model of accessibility than
> other manufacturers but crushing all other competition through aggressive
> legal action is not so good.
>
> Regards
>
> Graham
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> Sent: 06 October 2011 07:39
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56
>
> Well I agree though I am not an iPhone user. It was sad and him so young.
> Let us on the Talks list not forget Torston Brand, another great man who
> did
>
> so much work for accessibility on mobile phones for blind people.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "darren harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:31 AM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56
>
>
>> Well it has to be said voice over really does rock on the I phone. he did
>> do
>> a good job in getting it out there that's for sure.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>> Sent: 06 October 2011 07:21
>> To: viphone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; macvisionaries@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>> mobileaccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Talks Mailing List;
>> talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>> The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Steve Jobs Passes Away Aged 56
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Many of you may already be aware of the sad news of Steve Jobs passing,
>> for
>> those of you who are not, sadly, Steve has lost his ongoing battle
>> against
>> cancer.
>>
>> May I personally say that whilst the work involving Voice Over may not
>> per-say have been under his direct control and influence, I'm sure that
>> his
>> overriding philosophies, expectations and essence shall have played a
>> part,
>> and made their unique way into the product that many of us use today.
>>
>> A truly remarkable, visionary and pioneer has been lost to us all on this
>> day.
>>
>> Rest in peace Steve...
>>
>> Steve Jobs 1955 - 2011
>>
>> Kindly.
>> Neil Barnfather
>>
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - service@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199
>>
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