Hi Hussain, exellent points. Your expertese in this field is to be admired and I don't think for 1 minute I have the same insights as you do. All I was trying to get across is that certain products deliver a rich user experience, regardless of the technical and business issues surrounding them. The Nokia/symbian handsets on the market are superb phones, so please don't think I don't think they are....I just think this subject is much more complex than what's made out. Yes, the iPhone is pricey, it's not at the same spec as a lot of other phones, Apple manipulate their customers I'm sure, but why do so many people have them? It's because the phone is offering a great experience. VIP's only want high end cameras for OCR and VIP's are demanding more and more access to what the sighted take for granted. The iPhone is making that playing field a little more level in my opinion, simply because it's current and it's constantly offering more and more possibilities. If it's anything to go by, all the people I know have phones like Samsung, Sony Ericsson, the iPhone or older Nokia models, no one I know has a Nokia N series for example. This isn't because they are rubbish, far from it, it's because they are not driven by top end cameras and the ability to connect multiple blue tooth devices. They want affordible apps and fun. To try apps out on the iPhone, it costs nothing, pennies or a few quid...and the options are endless almost. Symbian offers much the same, but from a VIP's point of view, not nearly as affordible. So add up the phone, Talks, transfer fees, extra voices, wave finder and I bet there won't be much difference between the models. Lets just be positive that this world of technology is giving us more and more options, whichever way we decide to jump. Enjoy the great weather, cheers Steve.----- Original Message ----- From: "Hussein Patwa" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic Hi Steve, It was interesting reading your mail. Regarding my comment about the wise realising what Apple are doing, that was an economic-oriented comment. A separation has to be made between technology and economics in this regard, although due to the way in which business and the innovation cycle operates, there will be a conjunction between the two aspects at some point. My distain, as you put it, is not for the iPhone itself, regarding the underlying processes that led to its construction and marketing as a device that really does not, in my opinion, offer anywhere near the value for the money that is being demanded for it. Again, and economic observation rather than a technological one. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486
-----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve S Sent: 21 May 2010 10:45 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic Hi Hussain, you're obviously a mobile phone guru and know what you're talking about when it comes to many features/technicals on phones, but I feel as if there's an underlying distaine for the iPhone? Your comments "the wise consumers will quickly realise what they are doing" implies there is
a
divide between people who are wise and people who just buy an apple product because they desire it. This seems to be a popular opinion within the VIP community for some reason. Everyone has a reason for buying something, some because they do desire it, some because the product delivers and others buy because they are looking for something they'll never find. I think some people will always find a problem, no matter what. All I can say regarding mobile phones is that I've owned 5 of them. The first a motorola, the size of a brick, no
speech
just a phone and SMS. The second a Nokia N Gage, again pretty big, but I could use SMS, but I couldn't play any games...I had a demo version of Talks, because I couldn't afford to buy it. The third another Nokia something or other, with Talks, I could SMS on this and take photos etc, functional to a point, but nothing to write home about...this had Talks pre-installed on it. My fourth phone was a Nokia N85. Good sound, FM radio and functionality etc. Its a nice phone did what I wanted to, to a point, no internet radio access via the built in function, no games/puzzles, like
I
say functional, didn't get me excited. There's a pattern developing here don't you think? Starting from a phone with nothing to a phone like the N85, massive jump. Anyway, on to the phone I currently have, yep you've guessed it an iPhone. It may not have a 10 mega pixel camera for OCR, it may not allow you to connect a dozen blue tooth devices to it as you walk along and it may only use iTunes to interface with, but, it has taken the enjoyment/interaction/entertainment factor of owning a mobile phone to a whole new level. I do not expect a phone to have every feature under the sun, because I think at this time, it might not be possible, but I'm sure
in
time things will change. Some people expect too much and love to
criticise
bad points whilst overlooking all the positives. Some people have expectation levels that are too high. Some people just like to be
different
because they don't like what's popular etc... As a closing note, in the
2/3
weeks I've had the iPhone, my children, my wife, my mates and my parents have all been interested and amazed at the iPhone...the games available
for
the sighted and blind, the voice used and how clear it is...non of this
"it
sounds like a robot" stuff. The apps available, the extensive range of voice commands it has etc. I got non of this whilst owning any of my
other
phones. It's because the iPhone and Apple bandwagon has brained-washed them I hear you say, well it may have, but all I can say is this is an amazing phone if you don't expect it to do everything from washing the pots whilst scanning and reading the bible to you, which some people think is a
"must",
otherwise it's a terrible phone! Have a nice day, cheers Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hussein Patwa" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic Hi Ben, LOL, your comment about my finding a phone I like yet made me laugh. Thanks, I needed that. The X6 RMA came through today, so it's off to Nokia. Worst piece of £449 priced hype and junk I ever had the displeasure of using. Being business orientated as I am, I have to give Apple credit for their highly successful controlling of the masses buying habits. That's one
good
piece of work, and I'll openly admit that as it's true. It's for that
very
reason they are able to compete with Nokia in the way they are. Yes, the wise consumers will quickly realise what they are doing, but desire and appeal are two very strong traits that have served Apple well. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose > Sent: 20 May 2010 22:03 > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic > > Husein > > Out of interest, have you found a phone that you like yet? Am I correct
in
> thinking that you have the x6 at the moment? > > I'm really in a bit of a dilemma about the iPhone. Like you, I feel that there > are fundamental things that it doesn't do and I don't feel that I should be > supporting apple while they continue with some of there practices in > relation to the iPhone. > Having said this, there are some really compelling points in it's favour
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> really easy to use os that hardly crashes, huge app catalogue, good gps and > large internal storige as apposed to a slower sd card. > The problem is, I'm struggling to find a phone that does all of the
above
as > well as the iPhone does and I think that's why apple have been so > successfull with the iPhone. E.g. do a few things really well and then hardly > do anything else. > > As a side note, I also find that posts that rave about the phone can be really > unplessent to read and more often than not, the poster is very uninformed > about other and in some cases better technologies. I'm not sure if I
would
> want to own a device that would have people instantly label me as a > fanboy. > > On 20/05/2010, Eleanor Burke <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Oh right thanks Hussein for clarifying that. I must admit I was > > totally confused and while I know so little I knew it was not > > something which would meet my needs and was getting confused that > you > > were changing from having criticised it to then supporting it. > > > > Eleanor > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Hussein Patwa > > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 6:35 PM > > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > No Eleanor, I have never had an intention to purchase the iPhone. I > > simply took advantage of the free shipping to try it and return it > > without charge. > > > > > > > > Whereas I did do some research into pricing, etc. for tariffs, this > > was not as a precursor to getting one. > > > > > > > > Many apologies if I sent out wrong signals on this one, and if this > > has only confused the issue further. I still believe there are > > fundamental flaws in the iPhone, and until these are fixed, and more > > importantly to me, the software side of things is opened up, that will > > always be a black mark against it as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Have a pleasant day, > > > > > > > > Kind Regards and Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > Hussein. > > > > > > > > Hussein Patwa > > > > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) > > > > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) > > > > Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa > > > > Skype: patwaspotterfan2 > > > > GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter > > > > Web: www.patwanet.co.uk > > > > My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com > > > > > > > > Find me on Facebook: > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 > > > > > > > > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke > > Sent: 20 May 2010 15:56 > > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic > > > > > > > > Forgive me Hussein but having tried the iphone, am I correct in that > > you said it was not for you and that subsequently you informed us that > > you are getting one. Just interested. > > > > > > > > Eleanor > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Hussein Patwa > > > > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:20 PM > > > > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic > > > > > > > > HI, > > > > > > > > Did you try the networks over the phone? I find this is often the > > best way of handling such negotiations as it eliminates external > > pressures found in a shop environment. Also, I have access to the web > > and can validate information being given to me by the sales person. I > > also have a higher bargaining power as I can access information easily > > and use that to counter the stock offers being given to me by the
sales
> person. > > > > > > > > And Steve probably has an iPhone for the same reason many who > > don't like it do - they like one or two features of it, enough to part > > with the cash but not enough to use it regularly. Either that or > > something went wrong and they couldn't return it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Have a pleasant day, > > > > > > > > Kind Regards and Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > Hussein. > > > > > > > > Hussein Patwa > > > > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) > > > > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) > > > > Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa > > > > Skype: patwaspotterfan2 > > > > GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter > > > > Web: www.patwanet.co.uk > > > > My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com > > > > > > > > Find me on Facebook: > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 > > > > > > > > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve S > > Sent: 18 May 2010 23:14 > > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic > > > > > > > > Oh Steve, you're so cutting, lol. Do you think I'd make it up? > > Of course you can get different tarrifs, I was quoting the price range > > I was going for...and the £35 per month deals were exactly the same, > > they wouldn't move a bit, not 1 bit, all said Apple set the tarrif, I > > went to all the shops doing that deal and I wasn't going to pay over a > > hundred for a handset or pay more then £35 per month, so in your > wisdom, what would you have done? > > What deal do you have on your iPhone? and more to the point why do > > you have > > 1 if you think they're so poor? Cheers Steve. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Steve Nutt > > > > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:32 PM > > > > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Never heard such nonsense. The tariffs are set by the operator > > and are all different. > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve S > > Sent: Monday 17 May 2010 22:13 > > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic > > > > > > > > Hi Jim. Apple set their own tarrifs, so it doesn't matter where > > you go, all the deals are the same. I've had my iPhone for a few > > weeks now and as far as I can remember (don't quote me), you're > > looking at around £30 per > > month=300 minutes/300texts/1gig of data transfer and you'll have to > > pay approx £129 for the handset on 18 month contract. £35=600 > > minutes/unlimited texts/1gig of data transfer and you'll pay approx > > £87 for the handset on 24 month contract. Best thing to do is have a > > look on the web and you'll get the full picture, cheers Steve. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: jim > > > > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:42 PM > > > > Subject: [talks-uk] Off topic > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Apologies for the off topic message, but not sure where else I > > could ask this question. > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of getting an Iphone and I'm wondering what the > > best cim is out there, with free calls over all networks, text > > messages and unlimited broadband connection. Would I have to go > > contract with a cim only card that would achieve the above or could I > > go pay as you go? If i have to go contract, who is giving the best deals. > > > > > > > > If you feel this is off topic, maybe you could answer the > > questions off list at: > > > > j_doherty2@xxxxxxx > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > > > Jim > > > > > >
