yes, reading of web pages with talks is frankly unpredictable and flaky. This is due to the fact that Nokia does not offer any help like browsers such as Internet Explorer do so that the screenreader has to read just what is visible on screen. It is unfortunate though that Nuance does not seem to put any information on the site about what is new in each release. all in all this is not good since as you say it is difficult to decide on when to upgrade. On the subject of those extra programs, they are in the main quite useful, though Mini GPS is not that good as you can't save cell information unless you know where you are and it does not seem possible to share cell data with others. The voice recorder program is however quite useful and the advanced profiles program will probably be useful for some. Cheers Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: tim.pennick@xxxxxx To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nuance? Hi Kevin, I recently installed V3. I hadn't previously installed the freebie extras like Mini-GPS, and V3 installation stuff I read alerted me to the fact that I could install these at the same time. Having installed version 3 and the freebies, I think the response of my phone is slightly better when scrolling down the menu etc, but the one thing I hoped they'd fix, doesn't seem to have changed. That's the feature that says you can read from cursor position, which I think is Talks-key and down-arrow. When looking at a web site such as the BBC News PDA enabled page, I'd like to be able to initiate this reading and let it read me the whole page as per JAWS SAY-ALL, but I think it only reads the text that's visible on the phones display. This makes reading a web page much less convenient, and mainly means that I don't bother. I've also had a couple of instances since installing the upgrade and the extra applications, where my phone has failed to recognise the SIM card when I've re-booted it. Although I'm a sucker for an upgrade, if you're happy with the current performance of TALKS 2.5, I'm not sure the upgrade is worth the effort. I think that whether or not you're entitled to a free upgrade depends on how long you've had your TALKS license. I contacted Steve Nutt who checked my EMEI (I think) number and told me that I was entitled to a free upgrade. One more point that's just occurred to me is that I think that TALKS 3 is supposed to work better with Wayfinder if that makes any difference. Regards, Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Russell Sent: 06 November 2006 11:57 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nuance? Hi I currently have Talks v2.51.4 on my phone and it's working extremely well. Can anybody tell me if I can simply install V3 on my phone or is this a paid upgrade? Also, what's new in V3? It's a pity there isn't a 'What's New' or version history documentation on the Nuance site. Thanks. Cheers Kevin Kevin Russell CICS System Test IBM UK Ltd MP 102 Hursley Park Winchester, Hampshire United Kingdom. SO21 2JN Tel: +44 1962 815531 (internal 245531) Internet: kevin_russell@xxxxxxxxxx <tim.pennick@xxxxxx> Sent by: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 06/11/2006 09:23 Please respond to talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [talks-uk] Re: Nuance? HI All, I've been off this list for a while, and must have missed something vital. Release of TALKS? Do you mean release of a new version, or for a new platform, and the reference to FS in this context in another mail message is tantalising. I've just installed Talks 3 on my Nokkia phone, is there a version coming out for one of the cut-down versions of Windows? Regards, Tim Pennick -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara Wilson Sent: 03 November 2006 16:30 To: talks-uk Subject: [talks-uk] Nuance? Hi all Just wondering, is www.nuance.com the best place to check for news of the release of TALKS? We are still waiting...Perhaps Christmas?...2006? Barbara Wilson Email: barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Mobile: 07917710779 Donate to Guide Dogs at: www.justgiving.com/cyder __________ NOD32 1.1856 (20061106) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com