[talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
- From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:56:57 -0000
Hi Steve.
I have also had a look at loadstone. My feelings are that the backbone of
an accessible gps system could be in place here but it needs maps and points
of interest etc. as you suggest. the program with the maps would then not
be free I suppose but that is reasonable enough as the licensing of the maps
does cost quite a bit.
I think that the best route would be for Nokia to concentrate on making
future versions of their maps software accessible. It would then be free
and we would have an equal playhing field. There are of course development
costs to making GPS software accessible as we require more information than
sighted people need so this is probably somewhat more challenging than
making a web page or even a program such as a word processor accessible so I
suppose it may be that a bespoke solution is the only way forward.
Regards
Graham
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:25 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi Graham,
I have played a little but to me it is not viable until you can import
commercial POIs. The fact that it has no real maps is a big deterrent.
All the best
Steve
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On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: Monday 22 March 2010 04:22
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
there is also loadstone which does not have maps as far as I know at the
moment but it is free. could this be a solution? I have not had time to
play with the product as it exists so far, has anyone else here?
Regards
Graham
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
i'm not sure if he was but mike may's name definitely did jump out at me. so
yeah i'm suspicious of his motives for sure. it's got to be worth looking
at.
yes am sure neil is looking into an alternative but the questions on my mind
are as follows:
1. how long would we have to weight for an alternative solution to be
developed?
2. how much is this alternative solution going to cost us?
3. is there already available a mainstream solution that is equally cost
effective and usable so we don't have to weight?
the answers to questions 1 and 2 obviously i can't do anything about but i
certainly can look into the answer for question 3 which i think is what
people really should be doing now.
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 21 March 2010 11:28
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi Saqib and Daren.
Wasn't Neil Barnfather also involved in taking the product for a trial as
well? Mike may have been biased, but there's no reason to think that Neil
would side with him on the negative aspects of the Kapten unless there was a
good reasoning behind it. I believe neil when he tells me in private
conversation that he is as much concerned to find a good replacement as
everyone else and that he is working toward that end as a goal, I just don't
believe that Neil would slight a product unless there was good cause to do
so.
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Saqib <mailto:Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:21 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi Darren. A friend of mine has trialed this Capten device and he tells me
that it works very well and he can't figgure out why it's received negative
reviews.
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From: Darren Harris <mailto:darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:59 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
hi,
well as much as i want to see the WFA petition get somewhere and posatively,
it is a great product no matter how much people have spent on it, it would
be a shame to see it fall like this. equally, i also have to think about
this from my personal perspective as well. i am a gps user and as such i'm
not going to go without a gps. equally i'm not prepared to pay the stupid
prices demanded by the blindness world either. certainly not before i've
looked at the alternatives. right now as it stands i have time to look
around as has already been mentioned, we aren't going to lose wfa until
sometime next year. so really people we shouldn't be idle on this either. be
active when it comes to the petition yes and spread the word but equally
don't rely on it as a form of rescue either because that may not happen at
all with all the will in the world. sorry but i'm just being realistic here.
i've been reading up on other gps devices including the kapten from kapsys.
now before everybody jumps on the band waggan by saying this has already
been reviewed by mike may, well here's the point. he's not going to review
it posatively is he. for the simple reason that he has his own company to
think about so he's hardly likely to review it in a fair manner. think about
it, he's not likely to say that this is a wonderful device and that
everybody should go and purchase it when he's got the likes of the trekker
to think about. considering that the trekker is almost 10 times as expensive
as the kapten is he's going to try playing it down. so am going to get a
propper look at it myself. which as we speak i'm trying to organize this
with my local adaptive tech stockest who happens to sell it and who isn't
too far from me either.
having been a power user of WFA for almost 2 years, i have a good idea as to
what i myself need from a gps unit so i can make a good comparison between
the 2. the thing with the kapten is that it's been designed from the ground
up to be usable without a screen. which perfectly falls right within our
level of requirement. whether this be by accident or design doesn't matter
the simple fact is that it does. so my thinking here is that really people
shouldn't be taking the word of 1 man as absolute especially when said
individual has his own business interests to mind.
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
Sent: 21 March 2010 10:40
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi,
Very well put Ibrahim. Now that the news is known, it is time to look at
what to do about it constructively and then look to the future. At the end
of the day though, I believe this has to be the choice for the individual.
Some may feel it's not worth the hassle, but I would advocate that if one
doesn't try, one would never know.
I'd just like to see the dealer's response to your comments. Obviously this
will have an economic impact on them, so one could ask whether or not they
themselves would be considering an action against Wayfinder. It would
depend if they knowingly sold the licenses on knowing that their 'shelf
life' as you put it would be severely degraded. The fact that maps will be
available for a time to come is largely irrelevant. It's either the whole
pie or none at all.
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 21 March 2010 09:56
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi.
I'd just like to add that it might be possible for those who bought the
product very recently to get a refund of their money or a significant
portion of their money back. If the product was purchased before the
announcement of its discontinuation was made public, it might be possible to
argue that the lifetime part of the contract can not be honoured.
Furthermore, wayfinder themselves stopped selling licenses for their entire
product line late last year anticipating this change, there by significantly
undervalueing the access licenses that distributors may have in ready stock.
Distributors should be thinking about compensating those customers who
weren't aware that they were purchasing a product which as it turns out has
a very limited shelf life and to which the customer would have had no
knowledge of this before purchase.
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hussein Patwa <mailto:talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi,
Whereas I completely understand where those of you that lost money are
coming from, this is a simple question of economics from the company's
perspective. It's just not viable to trade in an arena with such a
relatively small consumer base and where price sensitivity is high. On the
plus side, this is an area that is becoming of growing interest to all
consumers, and by that very nature will encourage innovation and change.
Therefore, whereas it's true that many products are not totally accessible
to the visually impaired by design at present, this is likely to change as
the withdrawal of WFA will if anything spur creativity and drive to 'fill
the void' if you will.
Sorry, I'm not trying to fling aside the concerns over financial loss
suffered by existing customers, but I just wish people would look at the
situation from both sides of the fence. This is actually a positive
development if you take the time to look outside the box.
OK, that's my business insight shared for the day.
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Have a pleasant day,
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Hussein.
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Paul Cutress
Sent: 20 March 2010 21:08
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
that's all very well, but some of us like me, for example have only had my
WFA licence for about 2 months!, so when the product is discontinued, what
about all the money we have wasted! £240.00 is a lot of money just to thro
away, are many people more to the point going to be able to trust the market
in quite the same way? I ask you?, and how can we go main stream, when talks
doesn't work with the alternatives.
----- Original Message -----
From: Saqib <mailto:Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi Darren. Quite a number of us have not only considered it as an
alternative. We are already using it with great success. Although I feel for
the loss of WFA and can sympothise with other people I feel its time for us
to go mainstreem. I haven't had the WFA product but I've had the opportunity
to trial the software. I can understand how much info will be taken away
from the user when the product finally is discontinued and that is where my
sympothy lies as using another product like Ovi Maps will feel like making
the best of a bad job with very little tools. Having said all this it's time
to explore the market and embrace new products and ideas.
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From: Darren Harris <mailto:darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:37 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
it's great reading about all of this but is it realistically accessible? i
mean is it something that we can viably consider as an alternative?
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 19 March 2010 20:48
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi Hussein and Saqib.
Would it be possible to use the talks icon labeller to label these icons?
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hussein Patwa <mailto:talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:26 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi,
Thank you very much for doing this. This will be of great use to a lot of
people I'm sure. Actually it ties in to an idea I have been sitting on for
some time which I will write you about off list.
Best,
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Saqib
Sent: 19 March 2010 17:56
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Nokia Ovi Maps 3.3 main menu description.
This description is for the new Nokia Maps 3.3 main menu interface.
Usually when you open the application you are greted with the main menu
which consists of 10 icons. There are two rows of 4 icons which are
displayed on the screen and a further 2 which can be seen at the bottom left
of the screen. The display almost looks like a 4-4-2 formation. For those
who follow football will know what I'm relating to.
When you first open the Ovi Maps 3.3 app the drive icon is highlighted. The
drive icon is located on the left of the screen, second one down from the
top left icon. If you select this drive icon you will be presented with a
further 3 icons. The highlighter will be on the first of the 3 icons
presented which is on the left of the other two icons. The first icon is
called drive home in this submenu. Selecting this will prompt the app to
start navigation to your home location.
The second icon in this sub menu is called Set Destination. Pressing select
on this will bring up a accessible menu where you can select an option of
your choice. These choices consist of History, Favourites, Search and
finally From Map. The From Map is the 4th option.
The third and final icon from this Drive submenu is called Map. If you
select this you will be shown a Map view of your current location. From this
Map you can press select and you will then be presented with a accessible
menu. The first of these options is Show Details.This will give you further
information in text so You will know exactly where you are currently
standing. For example a name of the road and the number of the property in
which you may be standing by. Second option is Share location. Third option
is Save Place. 4th option is Send. I have now covered the drive section of
Ovi Maps 3.3.
My Position Icon
From the main icon screen remember when I pointed out that the highlighter
is stationed on the Drive icon in which I have described in detail above.
Above this icon is the My position icon which is situated on the top left of
the screen. It's the first icon in the first row of icons. To get to this
you just arrow up once from the Drive icon. With in this map view you can
hit select to bring up an accessible menu. These consist of Show
Details,Share Location, Save Place and the final option in the list is Send.
Find Places
The Find Places icon is the second icon in from the top left next to the My
Position Icon. Pressing select on this will bring up a search box. Once you
type in your search you should be presented with a result of your search.
Share Location
The Share Location Icon is the third icon in the top ro after the Find
Places icon. You will have to create a Nokia account to take advantage of
this feature.
Favourites
The Favourites Icon is the 4th and last icon in the top row. This is on the
right of the Share Location icon. Pressing select on this will bring up the
Favourites menu. The options here are Sincronise with Ovi, Places, Routs and
Create New Collection.
Second row of 4 icons description
The First option in this row of icons is the Drive option. I have covered
this earlier on in this document.
Walk
The Walk option resides next door to the Drive icon. Selecting this option
will bring up a submenu of three icons. The first icon is Walk Home. This
will trigger the navigation mode and you will be ready to outtake your
journey on foot. Icon 2 is the Set Destination option. From heare you can
select an address from a previous history or favourites. There are also
options to search or select from map. As the map it self is inaccessible I
think this option is not applicable for the VI user. The final option in the
Walk submenu is help. Sadly this is also inaccessible.
Weather
The Weather icon is the third icon in the second row and this is
inaccessible.
Events
The Events Icon is the final icon in the second row of four. This feature is
also inacfcessible.
Third row of 2 icons
The third row which is the bottom row has two icons. Both are inaccessible.
The first is called Loanly Plannet and the neighbouring icon is called
Michelin.
I hope this description is a help to those who are using the application.
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