[talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

  • From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:53:18 -0000

MessageHi Steve.

Are you still using WFA?  Have you given Ovi maps a go with the excellent help 
of Saqib's description of the home screen?

All the best, Ibrahim.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Nutt 
  To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 7:45 PM
  Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description


  Hi Eleanor,

   

  For me, it is a separate device, and that is a downside.  You either have to 
wear headphones, or carry a little speaker around your neck in a little bag.

   

  I am now so used to GPS being on my phone, that I no longer want to have a 
separate device if I can help it.

   

  Having said all that, Kapten is not bad, but it lack post code support at the 
moment, and the GPS receiver which is built in is poorer than some, including 
those built into some phones.

   

  It is certainly a viable option though.

   

  All the best

   

  Steve

   

  From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
  Sent: Sunday 21 March 2010 16:44
  To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

   

  I know blind people who have tried it and liked it.  I am under the 
impression but prepared to stand corrected that Neil has tried it and not found 
it to give adequate information for a blind person in the way WFA does.  Why 
don't you approach Cobalt Systems and ask them if you can try it out and report 
back on it?

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Darren Harris 

    To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

    Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:02 PM

    Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

     

    exactly. now whether people think so or not it's my belief that the kapten 
has opened a door in our ability to use a mainstream product out of the box. 
whether that is true for the quality of the product does remain to be seen well 
certainly from my personal point of view. it's something that i do definitely 
want to look at and considering we have until next april to find an alternative 
i think that the time should be used effectively.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
      Sent: 21 March 2010 11:59
      To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

      So, leading on from that,

       

      1.       Either we develop something ourselves.  This has the downside of 
having the potential for a high financial outlay at the start for no guaranteed 
return, requirement for technical, logistical and economic experience, and also 
the requirement for serious commitment for the mid to long haul.

      2.       We modify something that already exists, either by active 
development or passive workarounds.  This has a higher likelihood of success as 
we can latch on to technologies being developed alongside which may also 
facilitate access to more mainstream products with a higher chance of longevity.

      3.       We wait for someone to specifically develop something for us.  
What, when and how good it will be will be almost entirely dependent on the 
whims of the developer.

       

      _______________________________________

      Have a pleasant day,

       

      Kind Regards and Best Wishes,

       

      Hussein.

       

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      From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Harris
      Sent: 21 March 2010 11:53
      To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

       

      yup there is a ton of politics involved, thus why i ask those 3 
questions. the biggest question of all is should we just sit back and let 
someone develop something for us.

        -----Original Message-----
        From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
        Sent: 21 March 2010 11:47
        To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

        True, but we could also just wait for him to comment personally on this 
when he gets back to his mails.  I'm guessing as a full time businessman, it'll 
be Monday.

         

        Let's not jump to conclusions until we have all sides of the story.  
And of course, there will be business politics thrown into the mixture as well. 
 That is just a part of life these days whenever competition is involved.

        _______________________________________

        Have a pleasant day,

         

        Kind Regards and Best Wishes,

         

        Hussein.

         

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        From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
        Sent: 21 March 2010 11:28
        To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

         

        Hi Saqib and Daren.

         

        Wasn't Neil Barnfather also involved in taking the product for a trial 
as well?  Mike may have been biased, but there's no reason to think that Neil 
would side with him on the negative aspects of the Kapten unless there was a 
good reasoning behind it.  I believe neil when he tells me in private 
conversation that he is as much concerned to find a good replacement as 
everyone else and that he is working toward that end as a goal, I just don't 
believe that Neil would slight a product unless there was good cause to do so.

         

        All the best, Ibrahim.

          ----- Original Message ----- 

          From: Saqib 

          To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

          Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:21 AM

          Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

           

          Hi Darren. A friend of mine has trialed this Capten device and he 
tells me that it works very well and he can't figgure out why it's received 
negative reviews.  

          My Twitter page is www.twitter.com/saqib1975
          MSN Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx 

           

          From: Darren Harris 

          Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:59 AM

          To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

          Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

           

          hi,

           

          well as much as i want to see the WFA petition get somewhere and 
posatively, it is a great product no matter how much people have spent on it, 
it would be a shame to see it fall like this. equally, i also have to think 
about this from my personal perspective as well. i am a gps user and as such 
i'm not going to go without a gps. equally i'm not prepared to pay the stupid 
prices demanded by the blindness world either. certainly not before i've looked 
at the alternatives. right now as it stands i have time to look around as has 
already been mentioned, we aren't going to lose wfa until sometime next year. 
so really people we shouldn't be idle on this either. be active when it comes 
to the petition yes and spread the word but equally don't rely on it as a form 
of rescue either because that may not happen at all with all the will in the 
world. sorry but i'm just being realistic here.

           

          i've been reading up on other gps devices including the kapten from 
kapsys. now before everybody jumps on the band waggan by saying this has 
already been reviewed by mike may, well here's the point. he's not going to 
review it posatively is he. for the simple reason that he has his own company 
to think about so he's hardly likely to review it in a fair manner. think about 
it, he's not likely to say that this is a wonderful device and that everybody 
should go and purchase it when he's got the likes of the trekker to think 
about. considering that the trekker is almost 10 times as expensive as the 
kapten is he's going to try playing it down. so am going to get a propper look 
at it myself. which as we speak i'm trying to organize this with my local 
adaptive tech stockest who happens to sell it and who isn't too far from me 
either.

           

          having been a power user of WFA for almost 2 years, i have a good 
idea as to what i myself need from a gps unit so i can make a good comparison 
between the 2. the thing with the kapten is that it's been designed from the 
ground up to be usable without a screen. which perfectly falls right within our 
level of requirement. whether this be by accident or design doesn't matter the 
simple fact is that it does. so my thinking here is that really people 
shouldn't be taking the word of 1 man as absolute especially when said 
individual has his own business interests to mind.

            -----Original Message-----
            From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
            Sent: 21 March 2010 10:40
            To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

            Hi,

             

            Very well put Ibrahim.  Now that the news is known, it is time to 
look at what to do about it constructively and then look to the future.  At the 
end of the day though, I believe this has to be the choice for the individual.  
Some may feel it's not worth the hassle, but I would advocate that if one 
doesn't try, one would never know.

             

            I'd just like to see the dealer's response to your comments.  
Obviously this will have an economic impact on them, so one could ask whether 
or not they themselves would be considering an action against Wayfinder.  It 
would depend if they knowingly sold the licenses on knowing that their 'shelf 
life' as you put it would be severely degraded.  The fact that maps will be 
available for a time to come is largely irrelevant.  It's either the whole pie 
or none at all.

             

            _______________________________________

            Have a pleasant day,

             

            Kind Regards and Best Wishes,

             

            Hussein.

             

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            From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
            Sent: 21 March 2010 09:56
            To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description

             

            Hi.

             

            I'd just like to add that it might be possible for those who bought 
the product very recently to get a refund of their money or a significant 
portion of their money back.  If the product was purchased before the 
announcement of its discontinuation was made public, it might be possible to 
argue that the lifetime part of the contract can not be honoured.  Furthermore, 
wayfinder themselves stopped selling licenses for their entire product line 
late last year anticipating this change, there by significantly undervalueing 
the access licenses that distributors may have in ready stock.  Distributors 
should be thinking about compensating those customers who weren't aware that 
they were purchasing a product which as it turns out has a very limited shelf 
life and to which the customer would have had no knowledge of this before 
purchase.

             

            All the best, Ibrahim.

              ----- Original Message ----- 

              From: Hussein Patwa 

              To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

              Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:32 AM

              Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface 
description

               

              Hi,

               

              Whereas I completely understand where those of you that lost 
money are coming from, this is a simple question of economics from the 
company's perspective.  It's just not viable to trade in an arena with such a 
relatively small consumer base and where price sensitivity is high.  On the 
plus side, this is an area that is becoming of growing interest to all 
consumers, and by that very nature will encourage innovation and change.  
Therefore, whereas it's true that many products are not totally accessible to 
the visually impaired by design at present, this is likely to change as the 
withdrawal of WFA will if anything spur creativity and drive to 'fill the void' 
if you will.

               

              Sorry, I'm not trying to fling aside the concerns over financial 
loss suffered by existing customers, but I just wish people would look at the 
situation  from both sides of the fence.  This is actually a positive 
development if you take the time to look outside the box.

               

              OK, that's my business insight shared for the day.    

               

              _______________________________________

              Have a pleasant day,

               

              Kind Regards and Best Wishes,

               

              Hussein.

               

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              From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Cutress
              Sent: 20 March 2010 21:08
              To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
              Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface 
description

               

              that's all very well, but some of us like me, for example have 
only had my WFA licence for about 2 months!, so when the product is 
discontinued, what about all the money we have wasted! £240.00 is a lot of 
money just to thro away, are many people more to the point going to be able to 
trust the market in quite the same way? I ask you?, and how can we go main 
stream, when talks doesn't work with the alternatives.

                ----- Original Message ----- 

                From: Saqib 

                To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

                Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:01 PM

                Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface 
description

                 

                Hi Darren. Quite a number of us have not only considered it as 
an alternative. We are already using it with great success. Although I feel for 
the loss of WFA and can sympothise with other people I feel its time for us to 
go mainstreem. I haven't had the WFA product but I've had the opportunity to 
trial the software. I can understand how much info will be taken away from the 
user when the product finally is discontinued and that is where my sympothy 
lies as using another product like Ovi Maps will feel like making the best of a 
bad job with very little tools. Having said all this it's time to explore the 
market and embrace new products and ideas.  

                My Twitter page is www.twitter.com/saqib1975
                MSN Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx 

                 

                From: Darren Harris 

                Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:37 AM

                To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

                Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface 
description

                 

                it's great reading about all of this but is it realistically 
accessible? i mean is it something that we can viably consider as an 
alternative? 

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
                  Sent: 19 March 2010 20:48
                  To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                  Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface 
description

                  Hi Hussein and Saqib.

                   

                  Would it be possible to use the talks icon labeller to label 
these icons?

                   

                  All the best, Ibrahim.

                    ----- Original Message ----- 

                    From: Hussein Patwa 

                    To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

                    Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:26 PM

                    Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface 
description

                     

                    Hi,

                     

                    Thank you very much for doing this.  This will be of great 
use to a lot of people I'm sure.  Actually it ties in to an idea I have been 
sitting on for some time which I will write you about off list.

                     

                    Best,

                     

                    _______________________________________

                    Have a pleasant day,

                     

                    Kind Regards and Best Wishes,

                     

                    Hussein.

                     

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                    From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Saqib
                    Sent: 19 March 2010 17:56
                    To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                    Subject: [talks-uk] Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface 
description

                     

                    Nokia Ovi Maps 3.3 main menu description. 

                     

                    This description is for the new Nokia Maps 3.3 main menu 
interface. 

                     

                    Usually when you open the application you are greted with 
the main menu which consists of 10 icons. There are two rows of 4 icons which 
are displayed on the screen and a further 2 which can be seen at the bottom 
left of the screen. The display almost looks like a 4-4-2 formation. For those 
who follow football will know what I'm relating to. 

                     

                    When you first open the Ovi Maps 3.3 app the drive icon is 
highlighted. The drive icon is located on the left of the screen, second one 
down from the top left icon. If you select this drive icon you will be 
presented with a further 3 icons. The highlighter will be on the first of the 3 
icons presented which is on the left of the other two icons. The first icon is 
called drive home in this submenu. Selecting this will prompt the app to start 
navigation to your home location. 

                     

                    The second icon in this sub menu is called Set Destination. 
Pressing select on this will bring up a accessible menu where you can select an 
option of your choice. These choices consist of History, Favourites, Search and 
finally From Map. The From Map is the 4th option. 

                     

                    The third and final icon from this Drive submenu is called 
Map. If you select this you will be shown a Map view of your current location. 
From this Map you can press select and you will then be presented with a 
accessible menu. The first of these options is Show Details.This will give you 
further information in text so You will know exactly where you are currently 
standing. For example a name of the road and the number of the property in 
which you may be standing by. Second option is Share location. Third option is 
Save Place. 4th option is Send. I have now covered the drive section of Ovi 
Maps 3.3.

                     

                     

                    My Position Icon

                    From the main icon screen remember when I pointed out that 
the highlighter is stationed on the Drive icon in which I have described in 
detail above. Above this icon is the My position icon which is situated on the 
top left of the screen. It's the first icon in the first row of icons. To get 
to this you just arrow up once from the Drive icon. With in this map view you 
can hit select to bring up an accessible menu. These consist of Show 
Details,Share Location, Save Place and the final option in the list is Send. 

                     

                    Find Places 

                    The Find Places icon is the second icon in from the top 
left next to the My Position Icon. Pressing select on this will bring up a 
search box. Once you type in your search you should be presented with a result 
of your search.

                     

                    Share Location 

                    The Share Location Icon is the third icon in the top ro 
after the Find Places icon. You will have to create a Nokia account to take 
advantage of this feature. 

                     

                    Favourites 

                    The Favourites Icon is the 4th and last icon in the top 
row. This is on the right of the Share Location icon. Pressing select on this 
will bring up the Favourites menu. The options here are Sincronise with Ovi, 
Places, Routs and Create New Collection. 

                     

                    Second row of 4 icons description 

                    The First option in  this row  of icons is the Drive 
option. I have covered this earlier on in this document. 

                     

                    Walk

                    The Walk option resides next door to the Drive icon. 
Selecting this option will bring up a submenu of three icons. The first icon is 
Walk Home. This will trigger the navigation mode and you will be ready to 
outtake your journey on foot. Icon 2 is the Set Destination option. From heare 
you can select an address from a previous history or favourites. There are also 
options to search or select from map. As the map it self is inaccessible I 
think this option is not applicable for the VI user. The final option in the 
Walk submenu is help. Sadly this is also inaccessible.

                     

                    Weather 

                    The Weather icon is the third icon in the second row and 
this is inaccessible.

                     

                    Events

                    The Events Icon is the final icon in the second row of 
four. This feature is also inacfcessible.

                     

                    Third row of 2 icons

                    The third row which is the bottom row has two icons. Both 
are inaccessible. The first is called Loanly Plannet and the neighbouring icon 
is called Michelin. 

                     

                    I hope this description is a help to those who are using 
the application. 

                             

                      



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