[talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
- From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:44:28 -0000
MessageI know blind people who have tried it and liked it. I am under the
impression but prepared to stand corrected that Neil has tried it and not found
it to give adequate information for a blind person in the way WFA does. Why
don't you approach Cobalt Systems and ask them if you can try it out and report
back on it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Darren Harris
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:02 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
exactly. now whether people think so or not it's my belief that the kapten
has opened a door in our ability to use a mainstream product out of the box.
whether that is true for the quality of the product does remain to be seen well
certainly from my personal point of view. it's something that i do definitely
want to look at and considering we have until next april to find an alternative
i think that the time should be used effectively.
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On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
Sent: 21 March 2010 11:59
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
So, leading on from that,
1. Either we develop something ourselves. This has the downside of
having the potential for a high financial outlay at the start for no guaranteed
return, requirement for technical, logistical and economic experience, and also
the requirement for serious commitment for the mid to long haul.
2. We modify something that already exists, either by active
development or passive workarounds. This has a higher likelihood of success as
we can latch on to technologies being developed alongside which may also
facilitate access to more mainstream products with a higher chance of longevity.
3. We wait for someone to specifically develop something for us.
What, when and how good it will be will be almost entirely dependent on the
whims of the developer.
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren Harris
Sent: 21 March 2010 11:53
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
yup there is a ton of politics involved, thus why i ask those 3 questions.
the biggest question of all is should we just sit back and let someone develop
something for us.
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[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
Sent: 21 March 2010 11:47
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
True, but we could also just wait for him to comment personally on this
when he gets back to his mails. I'm guessing as a full time businessman, it'll
be Monday.
Let's not jump to conclusions until we have all sides of the story. And
of course, there will be business politics thrown into the mixture as well.
That is just a part of life these days whenever competition is involved.
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[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 21 March 2010 11:28
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi Saqib and Daren.
Wasn't Neil Barnfather also involved in taking the product for a trial as
well? Mike may have been biased, but there's no reason to think that Neil
would side with him on the negative aspects of the Kapten unless there was a
good reasoning behind it. I believe neil when he tells me in private
conversation that he is as much concerned to find a good replacement as
everyone else and that he is working toward that end as a goal, I just don't
believe that Neil would slight a product unless there was good cause to do so.
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Saqib
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:21 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi Darren. A friend of mine has trialed this Capten device and he tells
me that it works very well and he can't figgure out why it's received negative
reviews.
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From: Darren Harris
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:59 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
hi,
well as much as i want to see the WFA petition get somewhere and
posatively, it is a great product no matter how much people have spent on it,
it would be a shame to see it fall like this. equally, i also have to think
about this from my personal perspective as well. i am a gps user and as such
i'm not going to go without a gps. equally i'm not prepared to pay the stupid
prices demanded by the blindness world either. certainly not before i've looked
at the alternatives. right now as it stands i have time to look around as has
already been mentioned, we aren't going to lose wfa until sometime next year.
so really people we shouldn't be idle on this either. be active when it comes
to the petition yes and spread the word but equally don't rely on it as a form
of rescue either because that may not happen at all with all the will in the
world. sorry but i'm just being realistic here.
i've been reading up on other gps devices including the kapten from
kapsys. now before everybody jumps on the band waggan by saying this has
already been reviewed by mike may, well here's the point. he's not going to
review it posatively is he. for the simple reason that he has his own company
to think about so he's hardly likely to review it in a fair manner. think about
it, he's not likely to say that this is a wonderful device and that everybody
should go and purchase it when he's got the likes of the trekker to think
about. considering that the trekker is almost 10 times as expensive as the
kapten is he's going to try playing it down. so am going to get a propper look
at it myself. which as we speak i'm trying to organize this with my local
adaptive tech stockest who happens to sell it and who isn't too far from me
either.
having been a power user of WFA for almost 2 years, i have a good idea
as to what i myself need from a gps unit so i can make a good comparison
between the 2. the thing with the kapten is that it's been designed from the
ground up to be usable without a screen. which perfectly falls right within our
level of requirement. whether this be by accident or design doesn't matter the
simple fact is that it does. so my thinking here is that really people
shouldn't be taking the word of 1 man as absolute especially when said
individual has his own business interests to mind.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
Sent: 21 March 2010 10:40
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi,
Very well put Ibrahim. Now that the news is known, it is time to
look at what to do about it constructively and then look to the future. At the
end of the day though, I believe this has to be the choice for the individual.
Some may feel it's not worth the hassle, but I would advocate that if one
doesn't try, one would never know.
I'd just like to see the dealer's response to your comments.
Obviously this will have an economic impact on them, so one could ask whether
or not they themselves would be considering an action against Wayfinder. It
would depend if they knowingly sold the licenses on knowing that their 'shelf
life' as you put it would be severely degraded. The fact that maps will be
available for a time to come is largely irrelevant. It's either the whole pie
or none at all.
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[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 21 March 2010 09:56
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi.
I'd just like to add that it might be possible for those who bought
the product very recently to get a refund of their money or a significant
portion of their money back. If the product was purchased before the
announcement of its discontinuation was made public, it might be possible to
argue that the lifetime part of the contract can not be honoured. Furthermore,
wayfinder themselves stopped selling licenses for their entire product line
late last year anticipating this change, there by significantly undervalueing
the access licenses that distributors may have in ready stock. Distributors
should be thinking about compensating those customers who weren't aware that
they were purchasing a product which as it turns out has a very limited shelf
life and to which the customer would have had no knowledge of this before
purchase.
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hussein Patwa
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
Hi,
Whereas I completely understand where those of you that lost money
are coming from, this is a simple question of economics from the company's
perspective. It's just not viable to trade in an arena with such a relatively
small consumer base and where price sensitivity is high. On the plus side,
this is an area that is becoming of growing interest to all consumers, and by
that very nature will encourage innovation and change. Therefore, whereas it's
true that many products are not totally accessible to the visually impaired by
design at present, this is likely to change as the withdrawal of WFA will if
anything spur creativity and drive to 'fill the void' if you will.
Sorry, I'm not trying to fling aside the concerns over financial
loss suffered by existing customers, but I just wish people would look at the
situation from both sides of the fence. This is actually a positive
development if you take the time to look outside the box.
OK, that's my business insight shared for the day.
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[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Cutress
Sent: 20 March 2010 21:08
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface description
that's all very well, but some of us like me, for example have only
had my WFA licence for about 2 months!, so when the product is discontinued,
what about all the money we have wasted! £240.00 is a lot of money just to thro
away, are many people more to the point going to be able to trust the market in
quite the same way? I ask you?, and how can we go main stream, when talks
doesn't work with the alternatives.
----- Original Message -----
From: Saqib
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi Darren. Quite a number of us have not only considered it as an
alternative. We are already using it with great success. Although I feel for
the loss of WFA and can sympothise with other people I feel its time for us to
go mainstreem. I haven't had the WFA product but I've had the opportunity to
trial the software. I can understand how much info will be taken away from the
user when the product finally is discontinued and that is where my sympothy
lies as using another product like Ovi Maps will feel like making the best of a
bad job with very little tools. Having said all this it's time to explore the
market and embrace new products and ideas.
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From: Darren Harris
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:37 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
it's great reading about all of this but is it realistically
accessible? i mean is it something that we can viably consider as an
alternative?
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 19 March 2010 20:48
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi Hussein and Saqib.
Would it be possible to use the talks icon labeller to label
these icons?
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hussein Patwa
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:26 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi,
Thank you very much for doing this. This will be of great
use to a lot of people I'm sure. Actually it ties in to an idea I have been
sitting on for some time which I will write you about off list.
Best,
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Saqib
Sent: 19 March 2010 17:56
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Nokia Ovi Maps 3.3 main menu description.
This description is for the new Nokia Maps 3.3 main menu
interface.
Usually when you open the application you are greted with the
main menu which consists of 10 icons. There are two rows of 4 icons which are
displayed on the screen and a further 2 which can be seen at the bottom left of
the screen. The display almost looks like a 4-4-2 formation. For those who
follow football will know what I'm relating to.
When you first open the Ovi Maps 3.3 app the drive icon is
highlighted. The drive icon is located on the left of the screen, second one
down from the top left icon. If you select this drive icon you will be
presented with a further 3 icons. The highlighter will be on the first of the 3
icons presented which is on the left of the other two icons. The first icon is
called drive home in this submenu. Selecting this will prompt the app to start
navigation to your home location.
The second icon in this sub menu is called Set Destination.
Pressing select on this will bring up a accessible menu where you can select an
option of your choice. These choices consist of History, Favourites, Search and
finally From Map. The From Map is the 4th option.
The third and final icon from this Drive submenu is called
Map. If you select this you will be shown a Map view of your current location.
From this Map you can press select and you will then be presented with a
accessible menu. The first of these options is Show Details.This will give you
further information in text so You will know exactly where you are currently
standing. For example a name of the road and the number of the property in
which you may be standing by. Second option is Share location. Third option is
Save Place. 4th option is Send. I have now covered the drive section of Ovi
Maps 3.3.
My Position Icon
From the main icon screen remember when I pointed out that
the highlighter is stationed on the Drive icon in which I have described in
detail above. Above this icon is the My position icon which is situated on the
top left of the screen. It's the first icon in the first row of icons. To get
to this you just arrow up once from the Drive icon. With in this map view you
can hit select to bring up an accessible menu. These consist of Show
Details,Share Location, Save Place and the final option in the list is Send.
Find Places
The Find Places icon is the second icon in from the top left
next to the My Position Icon. Pressing select on this will bring up a search
box. Once you type in your search you should be presented with a result of your
search.
Share Location
The Share Location Icon is the third icon in the top ro after
the Find Places icon. You will have to create a Nokia account to take advantage
of this feature.
Favourites
The Favourites Icon is the 4th and last icon in the top row.
This is on the right of the Share Location icon. Pressing select on this will
bring up the Favourites menu. The options here are Sincronise with Ovi, Places,
Routs and Create New Collection.
Second row of 4 icons description
The First option in this row of icons is the Drive option.
I have covered this earlier on in this document.
Walk
The Walk option resides next door to the Drive icon.
Selecting this option will bring up a submenu of three icons. The first icon is
Walk Home. This will trigger the navigation mode and you will be ready to
outtake your journey on foot. Icon 2 is the Set Destination option. From heare
you can select an address from a previous history or favourites. There are also
options to search or select from map. As the map it self is inaccessible I
think this option is not applicable for the VI user. The final option in the
Walk submenu is help. Sadly this is also inaccessible.
Weather
The Weather icon is the third icon in the second row and this
is inaccessible.
Events
The Events Icon is the final icon in the second row of four.
This feature is also inacfcessible.
Third row of 2 icons
The third row which is the bottom row has two icons. Both are
inaccessible. The first is called Loanly Plannet and the neighbouring icon is
called Michelin.
I hope this description is a help to those who are using the
application.
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