[talks-uk] Re: N86
- From: "DurDevil" <durdevil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:18:41 +0000
exactly - a phone is a very personal thing these days esp to us visually
impaired as we use then for so many functions so you do have to choose one that
suits you and your personality.
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
From: "Saqib" <Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 20/11/2009 11:36 am
I will be getting the E72 when it becomes available. It's very much like the
E71 but has the newer spec like the camera is 5mp and the interface is like
the one on the N86. Talks will not work with the e-mail and text editting in
the web browser. It also has the standard 3.5m audio jack unlike the 2.5m
jack on the E71. I hope it's got the same solid steel exteria as the E71. I
bought my wife the Samsung Tocco Lite phone and it's full touch screen. I
can see to use the basic main menu and to dial a number but that is about
it. The font in the submenus is very small compared to even standard font.
It's like they are trying to cram everything in. I would like to play around
with something like that with speech. I probebly would never buy a touch
screen phone as you can get productive to a point and then it becomes a
struggle to keep up with standard speed of using a phone and writing a
message. Neil Barnfather described the touch phone as a table with 9 blocks.
You throw your keys anywhere in the middle of that table and you will
roughly know where the keys landed but you still have to find them. This
concept applies to the touch screen phone. You roughly know where the
desired option is on the screen but you still have to find it buy swiping
your finger in that area. This is why I would want to buy a cheep accessible
touch screen device to see if I can become productive with the touch screen
interface.
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From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:13 AM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
> Hi Jackie.
>
> I only know of functionality through the various mailing lists I'm on, but
> I did happen to see one the other day in a Three store as I was looking
> for an upgrade handset and thought I quite liked the keyboard, but I guess
> it's horses for courses. Like you though, I wouldn't splash out on
> something I couldn't fully use, so I'll be sticking to my E71 for just a
> few months longer me thinks *smile*.
>
> All the best, Ibrahim.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:09 AM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
>
>
> Hi Ibrahim
>
> I've never seen it either, and as I don't particularly like the qwerty
> keyboard input on such a tiny device, I wouldn't be interested in a
> touch screen until I could get some decent speech feedback from it.
>
>
> Jackie Cairns
> Braille Specialist
> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
> Welton House North Wing
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> Northampton
> NN3 6WD
> Tel: 01604 798024
> Mob: 07887 883815
> www.sightandsound.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
> Sent: 20 November 2009 08:55
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
>
> Hi Jackie.
>
> Not Pete but can answer your question *smile*. Yes, the N97 is a touch
> screen, you have the whole of the front face which is one giant display
> and touch sensitive controls. This part of the phone isn't accessible
> with talks, but I understand that some people are using the phone's
> internal keyboard as an interface with talks which works. I've never
> tried this, but unless my brain isn't working *smile*, it is possible.
>
> All the best, Ibrahim.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:33 AM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
>
>
> Hi Pete
>
> Am I right in saying the N97 is a touch screen phone though? How do you
> get on with that given the situation with Talks?
>
>
> Jackie Cairns
> Braille Specialist
> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
> Welton House North Wing
> Summerhouse Road
> Moulton Park
> Northampton
> NN3 6WD
> Tel: 01604 798024
> Mob: 07887 883815
> www.sightandsound.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil
> Sent: 19 November 2009 21:40
> To: Talks-Uk Email group
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
>
> Hi Alistair
>
> Yes I have a N97, it is a lovely phone but I still have my trusty N95
> 8GB which even today keeps up with the spec of most new phones :-)
>
> The N97 does have GPS, it's spec sheet is amazing and the phone is very
> responsive . The keyboard is surprisingly nice, much easier to use than
> I thought as it's my first querty keyboard phone. I use my phones
> features so much that I wanted more like a laptop/phone combo which is
> one of the reasons why I went for the N97.
>
> The N86 is very similar spec but as there is nothing wrong with my N95
> 8GB I wanted to go for something really different in design as they are
> a quite similar style. and - the N97 is very different!
>
> No your right, the N97 is not yet supported by Talks, but given time it
> will be and I'm a patient person and I believe its worth waiting for as
> it's the right phone for me. But I've seen a lot of people going for the
> N86 which is pretty much all supported with the exception of email and
> part of the internet so if people don't want to wait or don't want the
> style of phone that the N97 offers then the N86 is a very good piece of
> kit.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Cheers
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> -original message-
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
> From: "Al" <alistair.kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 19/11/2009 8:38 pm
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> Some excellent points there so thanks for that, I note from your
> previous posts you have a N97? didn't know it was talks supported, I
> know it doesn't have gps but seems a nice phone, what is the keyboard
> like?
>
> Thanks much!
>
> Alistair
>
>
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> From: "DurDevil" <durdevil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:13 PM
> To: "Talks-Uk Email group" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
>
>> Alistair
>>
>> Don't bother with the Iphone mate, yes it has built in
>> speech/magnification but despite this it is not that blindy friendly!
>> There are lots of reviews on the internet for it which have been done
>> by blind people but the speech is not accurate enough and you will
>> never get the support and functionality from the accessibility
>> functions that you would get from Nuance Talks & Zooms and their
>> associated resellers.
>>
>> In addition to this, you can't have a spare battery as it's built in
>> and not changeable (and a lot of blind folks like to carry spare power
>
>> with them) plus it has always been behind on basics such as picture
>> messaging, camera spec, limited Bluetooth connectivity features etc
>> etc, it may be getting there but it's always lagged on silly things.
>>
>> I'm not anti the Iphone so don't get me wrong, it's very slick but I
>> wouldn't suggest someone that is visually impaired choose this over a
>> Nokia with Nuance support. I know a lot of people with Iphones and
>> they are not the big deal they are made out to be :-) it's not a phone
>
>> that you will have and keep and use for years its more of a temporary
>> "cool at the moment"
>> device
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps and doesn't come across as too anti the Iphone!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> -original message-
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
>> From: "Al" <alistair.kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 19/11/2009 6:53 am
>>
>> Hi Jackie this is very helpful, thanks for taking the time, E mail is
>> not essential but the internet access is important to me. Will keep
>> an eye open
>>
>> for updates from Nuance on this, going the dreaded Christmas shopping
>> (dragged screaming) this weekend so will have a look at both IPhone
>> and
>> N86
>> in the shop.
>>
>> Alistair
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:35 PM
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: N86
>>
>>> Hi Alistair
>>>
>>> I can vouch that the keypad and all other buttons on the N86 are
>>> excellent from a non-sighted perspective. As regards Talks, and as
>>> discussed many times on this list, it doesn't work properly with
>>> Email and Internet at the moment.
>>>
>>> But the N86 is a cracking handset, and I wouldn't let that put you
>>> off unless it is absolutely imperative that you need these
>>> applications right now.
>>>
>>> And, on the N86 theme, I got a nice pouch for mine the other day
>>> which I've been looking for now for some time. I can't use the phone
>
>>> in it, but what
>>
>>> I
>>> bought is certainly ideal for keeping it clean and free from
> scratches.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Alistair
>>> Sent: 17 November 2009 19:54
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] N86
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Been in a bit of a dither over choosing a new phone, choice between
>>> either
>>
>>> a
>>> iphone or a talks compatible Nokia. Can someone confirm that neither
>>> of the
>>> major screen readers for mobiles function fully with the n86? Or
> maybe
>>> someone knows of a alternitive which will work with talks which is wy
>
>>> fy, has GPS on board and is a good music player, the n86 seems to be
>
>>> most of these but also seems to be more of a digital camera than
>>> anything else which does put me off a bit. Anyone currently using the
>
>>> N86? is the keyboard as good as the N82? going into town at the
>>> weekend to have a look but all help would be appreciated. Off list E
>>> mail is below.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alistair
>>>
>>> alistair.kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
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