[talks-uk] Re: Music file types
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:25:33 -0000
Hi Paul,
I agree to a point, but iTunes to me makes it off topic. It is up to the
moderator of course, but this list is about Talks, not phones in general. I
know I have contributed to this thread too, but I will say no more.
All the best
Steve
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of All formats
Sent: Thursday 15 January 2009 11:28
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
It's not really a problem is it? The conversation hasn't digressed to a
point where it has nothing to do with phones.
I think We originally started with some file types not working on phones and
why.
It would be like wondering why a file type was not working when trying to
use it as a ringtone. Or, why we couldn't connect to WLAN via a phone
application to our home network.
We just need a balance between having some leeway on one hand and common
sense or the rules of the list on the other.
In any event, in this case, we seem to have managed ourselves quite happily.
Cheers.
Paul Hopkins - Manager
(All Formats)
Queen Alexandra College
Court Oak Road
Harborne
BIRMINGHAM
B17 9TG
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0121 428 5018
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-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 15 January 2009 11:18
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
That is good Barbra, I was thinking I was on the wrong list as I am
interested in Talks and how it works with mobile phones rather than using
applications on a mobile phone unrelated to Talks issues.
Eleanor
----- Original Message -----
From: "ANDY COLLINS" <Andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:47 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
> Barbara - yes, it was just that somebody else had started this thread on
> this list for some reason; anyway, this should be an end of it now
> <smile> -
>
> Andy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara Wilson" <barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:00 AM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>
>
>> Hi Andy
>>
>> Probably the blindipod list would be the best place for this discusion.
>>
>> Barbara
>>
>>
>> Get listed, network or find a business at an online directory of
>> businesses owned and run by disabled people and associated support and
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:27 AM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>
>>
>>> Hi Andy,
>>>
>>> That's what I said earlier, this is really off topic. But no, it is
>>> nothing
>>> like Version 6, it is far more accessible. Just try it, you never know,
>>> you
>>> may actually like it, especially with Window-Eyes wherfe you need no
>>> scripts
>>> <Smile>.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS
>>> Sent: Wednesday 14 January 2009 23:06
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>>
>>> Steve - is setting up things like Party Shuffle just as it use to be in
>>> earlier versions of Itunes? I tried with it back in maybe version 6, and
>>> I
>>> couldn't get to grips with it; I don't want to buy scripts! By the way,
>>> shouldn't we be on the access UK list with this topic? -
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:58 PM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Carol,
>>>>
>>>> It won't even use its own player if you don't want it to.
>>>>
>>>> The advantage with the player is the library. You can type in any part
>>>> of
>>>
>>>> a
>>>> track, and it will look for all versions of that track in your library.
>>>> So
>>>> if you had three versions of "Oh Carol", then you would just search for
>>>> Carol, and it would play you anything with that word anywhere in the
>>>> title
>>>> of the track.
>>>>
>>>> Party Shuffle is another advantage, not just shuffle, but cross-fade as
>>>> well. Nice cross-fade too.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, Genius. Play a track, and Itunes will look through your
>>>> library
>>>> of
>>>> tracks for similar sounding tracks.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes, I know I said finally, but this is finally, gapless playback.
>>>> Ever
>>>> ripped a concert, played all the MP3's and the crowd breaks up at each
>>>> track
>>>> join? Not with Itunes, you get completely gapless playback.
>>>>
>>>> Good enough?
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Carol Pearson
>>>> Sent: Wednesday 14 January 2009 22:30
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>>>
>>>> OK, so it won't take over but uses its own player, I guess. What are
>>>> the
>>>> advantages then of using it over other players?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carol
>>>> carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:57 PM (UK time), Steve Nutt at
>>>> steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx said:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Carol,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not after convincing anybody. Just install it and say no to
>>>>> associating files, and it won't take over anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday 13 January 2009 17:46
>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, while everyone is going on about Itunes, I gather that the earlier
>>>>> versions sort of "took over" the computer, and everything played that
>>>>> way etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please tell me enough about it to consivince me it's now worth having
>>>>> and using???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good, about time I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the majority of us can be trusted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will perhaps reconsider Itunes after all then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Their files do tend to be of better sound quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Hopkins - Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (All Formats)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Queen Alexandra College
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Court Oak Road
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harborne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BIRMINGHAM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B17 9TG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0121 428 5018
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fax:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0121 428 5048
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E-mail:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> allformats@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.allformats.org.uk
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>>>>> Sent: 13 January 2009 14:29
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are dropping all DRM from March.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of All formats
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday 13 January 2009 10:38
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought Itunes had DRM on their files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps they have become a little less stringent over the years?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Hopkins - Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (All Formats)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Queen Alexandra College
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Court Oak Road
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harborne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BIRMINGHAM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B17 9TG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0121 428 5018
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fax:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0121 428 5048
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E-mail:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> allformats@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.allformats.org.uk
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>>>>> Sent: 12 January 2009 18:56
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So does iTunes. Better quality too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Brett
>>>>>> Sent: Monday 12 January 2009 17:09
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to let you know that amazon uk do downloads that dont have any
>>>>>> drm protection on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Brett
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> -original message-
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Music file types
>>>>>> From: "All formats" <allformats@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Date: 12/01/2009 16:47
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Barbara
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would think it is as you suggested. That you can't convert them
>>>>>> because they originate through Itunes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am surprised that you are able to convert some from that source and
>>>>>> not others. I believe that Itunes is very strict with their DRM
>>>>>> (Digital Rights Management). DRM can be more strict on some files
>>>>>> than others anyway. e.g. You would be able to copy some files to a
>>>>>> certain device and there would be a set amount of times you could do
>>>>>> this whilst other levels of DRM may restrict you to one PC and one
>>>>>> device such as an Ipod.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have heard that a work around is that if you burn a CD through
>>>>>> Itunes or equivalent and then rip the CD through Windows media player
>>>>>> or equivalent, that the ripped tracks can be copied without the DRM
>>>>>> limitations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had mixed results with this too so, you might want to try it
>>>>>> to see what happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I say this as someone who does not recommend or support any type of
>>>>>> illegal file sharing etc but, I do get very frustrated when I buy a
>>>>>> music track that is so restricted that I can't even copy it to my
>>>>>> phone to hear away from my PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope my response is helpful to you and here's hoping I haven't
>>>>>> started a mad discussion on this topic about legalities etc <smile>!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Hopkins - Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (All Formats)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Queen Alexandra College
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Court Oak Road
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harborne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BIRMINGHAM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B17 9TG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0121 428 5018
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fax:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0121 428 5048
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E-mail:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> allformats@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.allformats.org.uk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara Wilson
>>>>>> Sent: 12 January 2009 16:08
>>>>>> To: talks-uk
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Music file types
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry if this message is more appropriate for another list. When
>>>>>> transfering music from my PC to my phone, I find that some files when
>>>>>> converted to MP3 still don't play. I am using an E51, but have tried
>>>>>> this on a couple of handsets. When I copy files from iTunes they are
>>>>>> usually in M4 A or B or P, so I convert them to MP3 using Goldwave
>>>>>> before transfering them. Some play fine and some don't. Would this be
>>>>>> because they are itunes purchases and therefore can't be manipulated
>>>>>> through GoldWave? Though I have converted and used other iTunes
>>>>>> purchases. I would be greatful if anyone has any suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get listed, network or find a business at an online directory of
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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