[talks-uk] Kurzweil NFB reader Re: Re: sim

  • From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:02:51 -0000

it is cool software but criminally expensive. I know that it costs money and development time to produce any piece of software. I realise there is always going to be a limited market for this kind of access technology, but the amounts of money involved here are phenominal and really well out of the range of most people.
My understanding is that really you want the Nokia N82 to run this program. the N82 is currently not available on contract so you need to buy one sym free.
I think sight and sound do the whole package plus trainin g for around £1605 which is a fair amount to spend for anyone.
On top of this, it is probably unreasonable to expect the N82 to last more than a couple of years or so. typically people would want to upgrade the phone after this amount of time but if you need the phone to run the NFB Kurzweil reader software then there may not be a phone available that will run it properly.
Don't get me wrong. the idea of being able to read while out on the move is really great and I am fully aware that often staff inn restaurants will often not read the full menu because they don't speak much english or they think you must be too stupid to undrstand it or they just can't be bothered. Having the ability to read a brochure in a shop for specifications of products would be a real benefit too.
Steve, I understand you now sell Kurzweil NFB reader. What happens if you buy the product now and your phone breaks down or needs replacing in 2 years? Talks is being developed all the time to work with new phones but the situation with Kurzweil is surely somewhat less certain. 

Regards

Graham
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim



Hi Eleanor,
Imagine sitting in a restaurant waiting for dinner. Normally, you probably 
need someone to read the menu for you.  But with K Reader it will do a
pretty darned good job of it. So an earpiece and your camera, and you have 
your reader wherever you are.  It is cool software.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: Saturday 15 November 2008 09:31
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim

What sort of documents would you be scanning Alex sith a phone?

Eleanor
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim



Eleanor, KNFB Reader is a piece of software for a phone which allows you
to
scan documents using the camera on your phone. It costs nine hundred quid
though so it's out of my price range!
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 14 November 2008 20:57
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim

Steve what is a KNFB reader?

Eleanor
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim



Hi Eleanor,

I too have an N82.  The main incentive for having this phone, is that it
works with the KNFB reader.  The N95 is a good phone though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: Friday 14 November 2008 10:12
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim

You obviously felt it to be better than N95 then.

Eleanor
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:03 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim



I have an n82.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 14 November 2008 09:58
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim

OMG Alex.  What phone model do you have now?

Eleanor
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim
Eleanor, I wouldn't give yourself too much of a hard time over it. When 
I
had an n95 and I first got it, I managed to break the door that holds
the
sim card in and had to have the phone replaced.
Cheers
Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 14 November 2008 00:19
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim

Sorry Kaz I really should have done better and taken the time and just
opened my phone but I did not.  Will do better next time someone asks
me
a
question.

Eleanor
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Burgess" <karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:17 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim



hi eleanor

ok with your description, i've finally managed to find the gate after
a
few months lol.  what i will add for any totally blind people is the
little leaver is on the left side of the phone with the bottom facing
towards you so don't look in the flat part under the battery, that is
where i was going wrong lol.

Kaz

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windows live messenger: karenburgess70@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim



Kaz I am dreadful too but it is very easy in the N95.  There is a
little
catch well I am not good at describing things.  This catch at the
back
of



the phone is like the back of a battery holder on a portable radio.
Easy
to slide towards you using your index finger. You can feel the ridge 
so
press in and slide towards you.  Lift the lid and there is the
battery
which you want to take out.  I always put the battery down with it
facing



the same position as when I take it out of the phone.  Now sometimes
they
do not come out easily and it may be necessary to turn the phone over 
and



let the battery drop into the palm of your hand.  Main thing is
rembering
what way up the battery was in the phone and what way you place it on 
the



table while doing the SIM.  There is then a SIM holder and it has a
little lever projecting upwards.  This is very easy to lift also.  I
am
useless at this type of thing but on the N95 it is easy to lift.  I
come
a little unstuck here as I have some vision and can see the sim card. There is a little gold area and as I recall it is important that this 
is
the uppermost side.  Once placed in the holder close down the lever
again, replace the battery and the back of the phone and off you go.
Now



when you turn the phone on if it does not work, then you will know
the
SIM is in upsiddown so go back and repeat the exercise and this time
turn



the SIM over the other way.  Incidentally if the power does not come
back



on then the battery will be in the wrong way round.  Be brave Scot
give
it a go. I am useless and if I can do it then so can you.  I have no
doubt someone else will come with a better explanation than mine.

Eleanor
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Burgess" <karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:39 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: sim



hiya scott

good luck with getting the sim in i've had my n95 a few months and
i'm
still none the wiser, someone had to do it for me.  its not at all
obvious, or may be its just me being thick lol.

Kaz

email: karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

windows live messenger: karenburgess70@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxx> 
To: "Talks List Talks List" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:03 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] sim
Hi please can somebody tell me how exactly the sim card goes in the 
N95.

 Thanks Scott







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