Hi Eleanor,
Because the unit has built in AGPS as well as a GPS
receiver, I am suspecting that the unit they tested
didn't have the most up to date firmware, or the most up
to date AGPS data. Can't be sure of that though.
Also bear in mind we have had a few updates since that
review was written.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Eleanor Burke
Sent: Wednesday 24 March 2010 09:42
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Why would cobalt be selling it if it did not work is what
I wonder.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:15 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Hi Eleanor,
I believe you. I am also having no problems with Kapten,
so they either had
a faulty unit, or it must have been timed from first fix.
Either way, the test is completely inaccurate compared to
my Kapten and my
findings with it.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: Monday 22 March 2010 22:25
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Oh well Neil, I told you a lady in Ireland was using it
successfully too and
in a rural area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:50 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Scott,
Where are you living in the UK? When Mike May and I
tested extensively the
Kapten we had terrible trouble getting it to maintain a
GPS lock in London,
literally waiting up to 30 minutes at a time, only to
have it lose it again
minutes later.
I'm completely staggered that you've got it to work on a
bus. How are you
holding it, in your hand or in a pocket, any chance it's
an open top bus! :)
smile.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Scott C
Sent: 22 March 2010 11:19
To: Talks List Talks List
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Everything comes pre loaded so I've never used it to be
honest with you.
Guess I'll have to wen there's a software update or
something but as yet it
worked out of the box so to speak.
Ta Scott.
-----Original Message-----
From: darren_4æg_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address:
darren_4æg_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent On: 22/03/2010 10:51
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
Hi, thanks. What about the software that comes with it
how easy is that to
use and what about the kapsys my space?
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 22:03:2010 10.30 am
Yep. You just hold it and say where am I to it and as
long as it has GPS
coverage It'll tell you what road your on and what number
your at ETC.
Like you are at 115 west road. You can also K tag points
like bus stops and
the like and ask it to plot a root to the K tag you saved.
I find on a bus it keeps better GPS coverage than I ever
got with WFA.
Ta Scott.
-----Original Message-----
From: darre4æn_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address:
darre4æn_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent On: 22/03/2010 09:43
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Kapten
How do you mean it will tell you where you are on a bus
can you explain
further with that?
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Subject: [talks-uk] Kapten
From: "Scott C" <castledine10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 22:03:2010 9.10 am
I both have and use the Kapten and like it.
I'll start by saying though it's no Wfa.
It doesn't have a around me view for a start. Also it'll
tell you to turn
in 50m but it doesn't tell you things like how many roads
you'll cross
before you get to the right one.
It does though tell you to turn wen you do get to the
right one.
I find it very vary accurate and in terms of can I turn
it on and get from A
to B with it?
Yes I can.
The one thing it seems to better for me than WFA is let
me know where I am
on a bus.
It can't search by post coed and that's a down side also
again no around me
view.
I'd also like a where am I button rather than keep asking
it out loud, but
again I'd say WFA it shore isn't, but it does work and
will get you to a
point that you want. Well it does for me anyway.
Ta Scott.
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Harris - Email Address:
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Sent On: 21/03/2010 12:07
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
i only know him over emails. hey did you by chance go to
linden lodge
school?
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Saqib
Sent: 21 March 2010 12:05
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Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Yes he has both. You may know him. His name is Scott C.
My Twitter page is www.twitter.com/saqib1975
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From: Darren Harris <mailto:darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:48 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
hi,
is this friend a wfa user as well? if so can he make a
good comparison
between the 2?
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Saqib
Sent: 21 March 2010 11:22
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi Darren. A friend of mine has trialed this Capten
device and he tells me
that it works very well and he can't figgure out why it's
received negative
reviews.
My Twitter page is www.twitter.com/saqib1975
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From: Darren Harris <mailto:darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:59 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
hi,
well as much as i want to see the WFA petition get
somewhere and posatively,
it is a great product no matter how much people have
spent on it, it would
be a shame to see it fall like this. equally, i also have
to think about
this from my personal perspective as well. i am a gps
user and as such i'm
not going to go without a gps. equally i'm not prepared
to pay the stupid
prices demanded by the blindness world either. certainly
not before i've
looked at the alternatives. right now as it stands i have
time to look
around as has already been mentioned, we aren't going to
lose wfa until
sometime next year. so really people we shouldn't be idle
on this either. be
active when it comes to the petition yes and spread the
word but equally
don't rely on it as a form of rescue either because that
may not happen at
all with all the will in the world. sorry but i'm just
being realistic here.
i've been reading up on other gps devices including the
kapten from kapsys.
now before everybody jumps on the band waggan by saying
this has already
been reviewed by mike may, well here's the point. he's
not going to review
it posatively is he. for the simple reason that he has
his own company to
think about so he's hardly likely to review it in a fair
manner. think about
it, he's not likely to say that this is a wonderful
device and that
everybody should go and purchase it when he's got the
likes of the trekker
to think about. considering that the trekker is almost 10
times as expensive
as the kapten is he's going to try playing it down. so am
going to get a
propper look at it myself. which as we speak i'm trying
to organize this
with my local adaptive tech stockest who happens to sell
it and who isn't
too far from me either.
having been a power user of WFA for almost 2 years, i
have a good idea as to
what i myself need from a gps unit so i can make a good
comparison between
the 2. the thing with the kapten is that it's been
designed from the ground
up to be usable without a screen. which perfectly falls
right within our
level of requirement. whether this be by accident or
design doesn't matter
the simple fact is that it does. so my thinking here is
that really people
shouldn't be taking the word of 1 man as absolute
especially when said
individual has his own business interests to mind.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
Sent: 21 March 2010 10:40
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi,
Very well put Ibrahim. Now that the news is known, it is
time to look at
what to do about it constructively and then look to the
future. At the end
of the day though, I believe this has to be the choice
for the individual.
Some may feel it's not worth the hassle, but I would
advocate that if one
doesn't try, one would never know.
I'd just like to see the dealer's response to your
comments. Obviously this
will have an economic impact on them, so one could ask
whether or not they
themselves would be considering an action against
Wayfinder. It would
depend if they knowingly sold the licenses on knowing
that their 'shelf
life' as you put it would be severely degraded. The fact
that maps will be
available for a time to come is largely irrelevant. It's
either the whole
pie or none at all.
_______________________________________
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From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 21 March 2010 09:56
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi.
I'd just like to add that it might be possible for those
who bought the
product very recently to get a refund of their money or a
significant
portion of their money back. If the product was
purchased before the
announcement of its discontinuation was made public, it
might be possible to
argue that the lifetime part of the contract can not be
honoured.
Furthermore, wayfinder themselves stopped selling
licenses for their entire
product line late last year anticipating this change,
there by significantly
undervalueing the access licenses that distributors may
have in ready stock.
Distributors should be thinking about compensating those
customers who
weren't aware that they were purchasing a product which
as it turns out has
a very limited shelf life and to which the customer would
have had no
knowledge of this before purchase.
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hussein Patwa <mailto:talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi,
Whereas I completely understand where those of you that
lost money are
coming from, this is a simple question of economics from
the company's
perspective. It's just not viable to trade in an arena
with such a
relatively small consumer base and where price
sensitivity is high. On the
plus side, this is an area that is becoming of growing
interest to all
consumers, and by that very nature will encourage
innovation and change.
Therefore, whereas it's true that many products are not
totally accessible
to the visually impaired by design at present, this is
likely to change as
the withdrawal of WFA will if anything spur creativity
and drive to 'fill
the void' if you will.
Sorry, I'm not trying to fling aside the concerns over
financial loss
suffered by existing customers, but I just wish people
would look at the
situation from both sides of the fence. This is
actually a positive
development if you take the time to look outside the box.
OK, that's my business insight shared for the day.
_______________________________________
Have a pleasant day,
Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
Hussein.
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[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Paul Cutress
Sent: 20 March 2010 21:08
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
that's all very well, but some of us like me, for example
have only had my
WFA licence for about 2 months!, so when the product is
discontinued, what
about all the money we have wasted! £240.00 is a lot of
money just to thro
away, are many people more to the point going to be able
to trust the market
in quite the same way? I ask you?, and how can we go main
stream, when talks
doesn't work with the alternatives.
----- Original Message -----
From: Saqib <mailto:Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi Darren. Quite a number of us have not only considered
it as an
alternative. We are already using it with great success.
Although I feel for
the loss of WFA and can sympothise with other people I
feel its time for us
to go mainstreem. I haven't had the WFA product but I've
had the opportunity
to trial the software. I can understand how much info
will be taken away
from the user when the product finally is discontinued
and that is where my
sympothy lies as using another product like Ovi Maps will
feel like making
the best of a bad job with very little tools. Having said
all this it's time
to explore the market and embrace new products and ideas.
My Twitter page is www.twitter.com/saqib1975
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From: Darren Harris <mailto:darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:37 AM
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
it's great reading about all of this but is it
realistically accessible? i
mean is it something that we can viably consider as an
alternative?
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 19 March 2010 20:48
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi Hussein and Saqib.
Would it be possible to use the talks icon labeller to
label these icons?
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hussein Patwa <mailto:talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:26 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Hi,
Thank you very much for doing this. This will be of
great use to a lot of
people I?m sure. Actually it ties in to an idea I have
been sitting on for
some time which I will write you about off list.
Best,
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On Behalf Of Saqib
Sent: 19 March 2010 17:56
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Nokia Ovi Maps3.3 full interface
description
Nokia Ovi Maps 3.3 main menu description.
This description is for the new Nokia Maps 3.3 main menu
interface.
Usually when you open the application you are greted with
the main menu
which consists of 10 icons. There are two rows of 4 icons
which are
displayed on the screen and a further 2 which can be seen
at the bottom left
of the screen. The display almost looks like a 4-4-2
formation. For those
who follow football will know what I?m relating to.
When you first open the Ovi Maps 3.3 app the drive icon
is highlighted. The
drive icon is located on the left of the screen, second
one down from the
top left icon. If you select this drive icon you will be
presented with a
further 3 icons. The highlighter will be on the first of
the 3 icons
presented which is on the left of the other two icons.
The first icon is
called drive home in this submenu. Selecting this will
prompt the app to
start navigation to your home location.
The second icon in this sub menu is called Set
Destination. Pressing select
on this will bring up a accessible menu where you can
select an option of
your choice. These choices consist of History,
Favourites, Search and
finally From Map. The From Map is the 4th option.
The third and final icon from this Drive submenu is
called Map. If you
select this you will be shown a Map view of your current
location. From this
Map you can press select and you will then be presented
with a accessible
menu. The first of these options is Show Details.This
will give you further
information in text so You will know exactly where you
are currently
standing. For example a name of the road and the number
of the property in
which you may be standing by. Second option is Share
location. Third option
is Save Place. 4th option is Send. I have now covered the
drive section of
Ovi Maps 3.3.
My Position Icon
From the main icon screen remember when I pointed out
that the highlighter
is stationed on the Drive icon in which I have described
in detail above.
Above this icon is the My position icon which is situated
on the top left of
the screen. It?s the first icon in the first row of
icons. To get to this
you just arrow up once from the Drive icon. With in this
map view you can
hit select to bring up an accessible menu. These consist
of Show
Details,Share Location, Save Place and the final option
in the list is Send.
Find Places
The Find Places icon is the second icon in from the top
left next to the My
Position Icon. Pressing select on this will bring up a
search box. Once you
type in your search you should be presented with a result
of your search.
Share Location
The Share Location Icon is the third icon in the top ro
after the Find
Places icon. You will have to create a Nokia account to
take advantage of
this feature.
Favourites
The Favourites Icon is the 4th and last icon in the top
row. This is on the
right of the Share Location icon. Pressing select on this
will bring up the
Favourites menu. The options here are Sincronise with
Ovi, Places, Routs and
Create New Collection.
Second row of 4 icons description
The First option in this row of icons is the Drive
option. I have covered
this earlier on in this document.
Walk
The Walk option resides next door to the Drive icon.
Selecting this option
will bring up a submenu of three icons. The first icon is
Walk Home. This
will trigger the navigation mode and you will be ready to
outtake your
journey on foot. Icon 2 is the Set Destination option.
From heare you can
select an address from a previous history or favourites.
There are also
options to search or select from map. As the map it self
is inaccessible I
think this option is not applicable for the VI user. The
final option in the
Walk submenu is help. Sadly this is also inaccessible.
Weather
The Weather icon is the third icon in the second row and
this is
inaccessible.
Events
The Events Icon is the final icon in the second row of
four. This feature is
also inacfcessible.
Third row of 2 icons
The third row which is the bottom row has two icons. Both
are inaccessible.
The first is called Loanly Plannet and the neighbouring
icon is called
Michelin.
I hope this description is a help to those who are using
the application.
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