Alex thankfully I am not a cynic and indeed deaf people and blind with hearing difficulties who are Braille users certainly do use mobile phones for texting and Internet. Let's face it Alex with these more expensive phones they are like mini computers. I have so much stuff (data actually) on mine, when I had updated the firmware and went in to my local 02 shop to see if they could assist with the re-enabling of Talks, apart from the fact that the man did not know what to do, he nearly 'died' when he saw all that was on my phone and simply discribed it as 'unreal'. fortunately a more adventerous young man in another shop who knew nothing about Talks etc, gave it a go and got it working within minutes for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Stone To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Just curious, how helpful is a Braille display really? Eleanor, A cynic might suggest that a mobile phone isn't going to be an awful lot of use to a deaf-blind person. Cheers Alex From: Eleanor Burke Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:02 PM To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Just curious, how helpful is a Braille display really? I do not have one at present but I think it is invaluable to a deaf-blind person for a start and know some who have them for their mobile phones!!! Another use is where one might be travelling and have business files to deal with, or does not want an ear phone stuck in their ear for a few hours so can access their data via the Braille display. Now must go and brave the frost and snow, though thankfully much of it is melting now! eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: Hussein Patwa To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Just curious, how helpful is a Braille display really? Hi, I hope no-one minds my asking this question. I don't want to cause offence, however I've never had the opportunity to ask someone this in person and I'm genuinely interested to know. How much does having a Braille display really help with practical use of a cell phone? I'm thinking not only from the portability perspective, but also as phones are still rarely used as primary communication devices other than for making calls of course. Plus they are more mobile so you'd have to take the Braille display everywhere with you. I'm assuming it isn't small enough to be operable entirely one-handed as a cell phone is. If I use a PC as a parallel. I know several people who prefer to use a Braille display with their PC particularly for tasks such as programming or mathematics, as they find it more practical rather than the tedious task of having the speech repeat the same thing over and over again, or speak out every punctuation mark or symbol. The Braille display would give them all the access to the information and it just stays there for them to access without repetition. But I can't reconcile or picture in my mind how it would be of help with a cell phone. the phone itself is so small, battery life relatively short in comparison to other devices and then there's the whole issue of speech already being on the phone. Sorry if this sounds so obvious to everyone else, but I'd welcome being enlightened and hearing about your experiences. Feel free to contact me off list if it's felt replying to this publically would cause needless clutter. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not be connected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to calling. Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this if required. All calls may be recorded for fact verification. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Copying or distribution in any form is not permitted without the prior consent of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and any attachments from your system and notify the sender immediately. Thank you for your co-operation. Protect our trees; Do not print unless absolutely necessary. Save paper by deleting sections of the message which are not relevant. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4700 (20091218) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com