Hi Eleanor, The Esys 12 is 1,595 pounds, the and 40 is 3,395 pounds. They both work with a PC with Hal/Supernova, JAWS and Window-Eyes, or they work Bluetooth with a mobile phone. They also have internal note takers, calculator, diary, etc. All the best Steve From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: Saturday 19 December 2009 14:52 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Just curious, how helpful is a Braille display really? How much do your displays cost Steve and are they functional of anything else other than a mobile phone? ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Just curious, how helpful is a Braille display really? Hi, For me, it is just nice to be able to read and write texts, without having to have headphones on and in private. You also probably haven't seen many Braille displays like the Esys 12, which is tiny and fits in one hand. I use the 12 quite often with Talks. Nine Point Systems have also just brought out The NinePoint which has eight cells and is even smaller. Also, a phone is not just a phone nowadays, I use Twiiter, Facebook, and I even read text on them. Speech is nice, but it is also nice to be literate with Braille and know how to spell stuff. The other nice thing about Braille displays is when people send you texts with C U L8R. Speech makes a real mess of that, but it is instantly obvious with Braille. Having said all this, I don't go around with my display all the time indoors, but when I am travelling, I am never without it. All the best Steve From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa Sent: Saturday 19 December 2009 11:45 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Just curious, how helpful is a Braille display really? Hi, I hope no-one minds my asking this question. I don't want to cause offence, however I've never had the opportunity to ask someone this in person and I'm genuinely interested to know. How much does having a Braille display really help with practical use of a cell phone? I'm thinking not only from the portability perspective, but also as phones are still rarely used as primary communication devices other than for making calls of course. Plus they are more mobile so you'd have to take the Braille display everywhere with you. I'm assuming it isn't small enough to be operable entirely one-handed as a cell phone is. If I use a PC as a parallel. I know several people who prefer to use a Braille display with their PC particularly for tasks such as programming or mathematics, as they find it more practical rather than the tedious task of having the speech repeat the same thing over and over again, or speak out every punctuation mark or symbol. The Braille display would give them all the access to the information and it just stays there for them to access without repetition. But I can't reconcile or picture in my mind how it would be of help with a cell phone. the phone itself is so small, battery life relatively short in comparison to other devices and then there's the whole issue of speech already being on the phone. Sorry if this sounds so obvious to everyone else, but I'd welcome being enlightened and hearing about your experiences. Feel free to contact me off list if it's felt replying to this publically would cause needless clutter. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not be connected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to calling. Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this if required. All calls may be recorded for fact verification. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Copying or distribution in any form is not permitted without the prior consent of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and any attachments from your system and notify the sender immediately. Thank you for your co-operation. Protect our trees; Do not print unless absolutely necessary. Save paper by deleting sections of the message which are not relevant. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4700 (20091218) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com