[talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...

  • From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:07:56 +0100

Hi Jackie.

No, city guides is like a pocket guidebook on your phone.  If you were going
to say Manchester and you hadn't been there before, you could use the pocket
guide IE Cities to tell you about hotels in the area, places to eat, leisure
activities to participate in etc while your staying there for business or
pleasure.  At the moment, with City Guides being unavailable to us, we have
to directly search for what it is we're looking for either by knowing the
name of a place or using the categories wayfinder give us.

All the best, Ibrahim.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...


Hi Ibrahim

Forgive my ignorance, but what is City Guide, and how is it better than WFA,
or what does it do, more to the point, that WFA doesn't?  Just curious as I
know Ian will ask me these questions.


Kind regards,

J


Jackie Cairns
cairnsplace@xxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 27 September 2009 17:33
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...

Hi Neil.

Well now, I've been trying to get city guide for ages.  How is it obtained
and accessed?  Do we have to contact you for purchasing?

All the best, Ibrahim.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...


Eleanor,

That was Wayfinder Cities Guide, it is part of WF Access, you can still get
it.



---Neil Barnfather
TalkNav

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distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes delivered
direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?

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-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 25 September 2009 22:48
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...

What I think is fantastic was something Paul Hopkins tld us about once on
the list or maybe it was the WFA list. He had some programme (I do not think

one can get it now) but it told him all sorts of things like the cafes etc
around him.  I'd have loved that.  Paul seems to be abscent from the list
these days.

Eleanor
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:23 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...


Because its voice in, voice out! There's no screen!

It does sound very cool actually, being an MP3 player, bluetooth enabled
so it can be used as the GPS receiver for your mobile phone and provides
stereo MP3 playback and looks like you can even use the headset to make
calls as well if I'm reading this right. And it has a 4GB onboard memory
as well for your MP3 files and map data. It also has an FM radio!

Wow!

On the other hand, because I can't find any real detailed stuff about it,
I can't be sure how it handles points of interest etc etc. Or indeed any
of those other advanced features. If all it does is give you A to B, Left,

Right, continue strait for 2 miles stuff then you can use Maps for that
much anyway.

Matt


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From: "Alex Stone" <alex.stone@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:10 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...

'
I'd be intrigued to know how a blind person is supposed to use a stand
alone satnav device designed for sighted people.
Cheers
Alex

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From: "Adrian" <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:54 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...

The kapten is a hardware device not a bit of software, it is made by a
French company and has been available in france for about a year but has
just had a UK version produced as I understand it and goes on sale in
the
next couple of weeks. As it has no screen it should be reasonably
accessible. It works with voice input and voice output and although it
can
be used in a car or on public transport it is intended mainly for
runners
and others sports so not apparently all that reliable when driving.
The product is actually called the Kapsys' Kapten. Note the spellings
before
you start googling.

Adrian Higginbotham
E: Adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Twitter: @AHiggi

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Matt Brown
Sent: 25 September 2009 21:30
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...

Hi, if you have links to this software that so many of us are going out
and
buying I'd sure apreciate them because I just Googled that and nada!

Matt


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From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:39 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...

It can be used by blind people? Can you give me more information on
this?

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 25 September 2009 20:35
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...


Very well said.

I now hear a lot of talk on another list about something called Kaptin,
which is produced for sighted people but can be used by visually
impaired.
Now I wonder what will happen there too as it is cheaper than Wayfinder
Access and I know many blind peole are going out and purchasing this
even as
I write!!!

Eleanor
----- Original Message ----- From: "DurDevil" <durdevil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Talks-Uk Email group" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: FW: Re: Any more news...


I'm not demanding it to come down massively and agree it is a brilliant
product but i think that now they have done the breakthrough
programming

they could consider a reduction as it would result in a huge jump in
sales.
Of course there will be alot of people who expect it for free but they
would
not be the majority, this is a independence giving program so should be
paid
for and most people who own Talks or mobile speak would probably jump
at

owning it if it was priced more reasonably  like Talks/mobilespebk/WFA
and
that has got to be a large amount of people around the world. also if
they supported more phones sales would increase which would help
offset the reduction in price (and it must work on more phones as text
scout
does, Even Steve said they are being too cautious), they have done all
this
excellent hard work making a amazing program but if its too far out of
the
reach of the majority who would most likely buy it then there is danger
that
someone else will beat them to the mass market which would be a real
shame
after all the work they have done.
-original message-
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
From: "Barbara Wilson" <barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 25/09/2009 6:30 pm

This is an old argument isn't it? Personally I would buy it if it were
cheaper, but I am not demanding they bring the price down for many
reasons, most of which have been reiterated on this list numerous
times.
It's a matter of judgement for each individual whether their use would
justify the price. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. If you
think you will get the use out of it, then save up or buy it on a
credit
card. And let's face it, even if the price were lowered many blind
people would still not buy it as I am afraid many today still expect to
be given things for free.


Find me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/barkingbabs
Barbara Wilson
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----- Original Message ----- From: "DurDevil" <durdevil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Talks-Uk Email group" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news...


The money has to be in mass sales - there are hundreds and thousands of
visually impaired people and even people with other challenges making
printed material inaccessable. But pricing it like it is limits it to
people such as a business person who travels alot etc - that is not the
big sales area for this surely?

-original message-
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
From: "Saqib" <Saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 25/09/2009 6:07 pm

Hi Neil. I can understand you thinking that K-Reader is well worth the
price as you travel around alot independently and a tool of this nature
is a great assistance to your daily tasks and needs. For me £300 would
be the thresh hold before I would consider such a purchase. I'm
constantly intouch with sighted people through out the day so I
wouldn't
be eager to pay the £650 for the product when there are a set of eyes
around to borrow most parts of the day. Now I'm not suggesting for one
minute that the price isn't right. I'm just making the point that
everyone has their own evaluation on the product according to their
circumstances. Someone else on this list may well be in a position
where
sighted help isn't always an option and they would gladly pay for the
application. Perhaps I would if I was living alone.

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From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:47 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...

Darren,

KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want to

get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the cost
of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a phone
which can go with
you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's well worth every penny.



---Neil Barnfather
TalkNav

TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?

www.talknav.com
www.wayfinderaccess.com
Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997



-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren Harris
Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...

Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well to
make it worth buying?

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...


Hi Neil

K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be
called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding.


Jackie Cairns
Braille Specialist
Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
Welton House North Wing
Summerhouse Road
Moulton Park
Northampton
NN3 6WD
Tel: 01604 798024
Mob: 07887 883815
www.sightandsound.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
TalkNav
Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...

Jackie,

Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different products?



---Neil Barnfather
TalkNav

TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?

www.talknav.com
www.wayfinderaccess.com
Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997



-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...

Hi Steve

I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my work
N82 at the weekend for a comparison.  I love the N86's chunky feel,
and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82.
Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, and
the soft key positions.  They shouldn't experience the same issues
with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out.

I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep the
phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it through.

I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this
weekend.


Jackie Cairns
Braille Specialist
Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton
NN3 6WD
Tel: 01604 798024
Mob: 07887 883815
www.sightandsound.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...

Hi Jackie,

The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is
obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you would
see that it is miles faster than the N82.

It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as
nice as the N82, if not a bit wider.

An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than the
N82 in my experience.

The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which helps

KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are just
being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because TextScout
is excellent on it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...

Hi Steve

So you've got the N86?  What do you love about it, and how do you
think it compares to the N82 and N79?  Really interested in what you
have to say.


Jackie Cairns
Braille Specialist
Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton
NN3 6WD
Tel: 01604 798024
Mob: 07887 883815
www.sightandsound.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...

Hi Matt,

No news yet.  But I love my N86.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Matt Brown
Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news...

Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a point

where

I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be
lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it comes
at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm looking for!
Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot more
powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo!

Matt


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