[talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:31:35 +0100
Then please do so in a constructive way. Neil and I were having a
healthy debate about it. If you have something constructive to
contribute then please go ahead.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: 27 September 2009 20:37
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
Darren, I'm afraid it can be disputed and I definitely dispute it!
Cheers Alex
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From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:04 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
> Neil it's plain and simple fact. It's kindergarten logic it can't be
> disputed. There is no logic that can go against it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:59
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> Darren,
>
> I'm not disagreeing with you, you seem to think I am, what I'm saying
> is why on ~Earth are you shouting about it, from what I can tell you'd
> be delighted if FS went out of business, you've made your point well
> and truly, you don't like them, you think there's a better solution,
> you think there's a better business model, and heck, you think there's
> a better business period. That's all fine, it's your opinion and we
> all don't need our Sunday's full of that.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:54
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> Oh come on Neil if it wasn't a viable solution then gw wouldn't do it.
> They recognise that it's what the end user requires so they've come up
> with it. Power to them for doing it and pitty for those that don't.
>
> You have to spend money in order to make it. The company that is the
> most flexible and can move with the times and customer needs will
> survive. The company that refuses to or otherwise can't, won't.
> Woolworth's for example. sad that it's gone, but anything that you
> could buy from there you could get cheaper elsewhere. They became
> surplus to requirements so therefore the public disposed of them by
> not buying from them. Supply and demand. If you can supply the product
> at 1 a reasonable price, 2 in a way that the customer can afford which
> includes being flexible, then you have a much greater chance of
> survival over those who refuse to see the obvious. That's the long and
> short of economics. Provide what the customer wants and you are onto a
> winner.
>
> Apple are now becoming a viable threat to the likes of fs and even gw
> micro. Because they aren't charging any more or less for vo. It's an
> integrated part of the os. So every time someone purchases a mac, part
> of that purchase what ever the percentage is goes back into their r&d.
> people are noticing, look at the I-phone, ipod, and now the ipod
> touch. All fully accessible now. With touch screens. Code factories
> mobile speak can barely manage a touch screen, talks as yet can't do
> it, apple are way ahead of the blind specialists. So what does that
> tell you? That the various companies in question had better pull their
> fingers out and get competitive otherwise they'll go the way of the t
> rex. -----Original
> Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:40
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> A payment plan is not easy to manage, what do you do if someone
> doesn't pay, oh yes I here you saying you run it by giving out license
> codes each month, well you need support staff for that, oh there goes
> another couple of tens of thousands of pounds on staffing costs.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 13:37
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> Am going to put my responses in the message because you raise some
> interesting points here and I can't remember them all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matt Brown
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:58
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> I'm not saying these companies shouldn't make a profit, I know I would
> want to if I was at the helm, but the point is there are tried and
> tested ways of
> making a profit whilst playing fare, and Freedom Scientific simply
don't
>
> play fare. Sight And Sound for example, would love to offer customers
> a payment plan but Freedom Scientific simply will not let them offer
> that option! That's just unreasonable.
>
> Quite agree. Also it's quite brainless in my opinion. A few years ago
> when I was a staunch jaws user, I was talking to someone who worked
> for fs and at the time I believed them when they said that gw was
> going bust because of the payment plan issues. Now of course I realise
> that's just a load of bull because basically all they were doing is
> trying to weeken the rival product by giving out a load of what I now
> know to be rubbish.
>
>
> I've been a Jaws user since version 3.2 all those years ago, and so
> far I've spent way over 2 grand on the product. Now in the days when
> HJ ran things,
> every new Jaws upgrade was full of new features, but now Freedom
> Scientific
> have it, the new features list seems to shrink more and more.
>
> The main reason for that is because of all the bugs they create when
> they add new features. It's just sloppy programming everybody knows
> that. Which is probably why they make people pay for upgrade after
> upgrade. I mean look at the dll leaks that jaws had a few years ago,
> was that ever fixed? V6 was brilliant on the internet. From v7 it went
> down hill until I got v8 and on some pages that I know were fully
> accessible the programme would cause the pc to crash. Now put
> windoweyes up on the same site, worked a treat. Now yes all programmes
> have their strong and week points there's no denying that. But as of
> yet I've had absolutely no reason to complain about gw's upgrade
> polacy. Because if there's bugs they fix them and as of yet they
> haven't charged for a massivly bugged upgrade. I've had my version of
> wineyes since march 2007. I've only used 1 out of the 3 sma's. and
> during that time there have been several upgrades to the programme.
> That's what I call fare. They are thinking of their customer base. Are
> fs? Well it doesn't take rocket science to work out the answer....
>
> I don't even object to the pricing of all this stuff, as much as I
> object to the fact that these companies do not offer a way to pay for
> it that is affordable to people with low incomes. KNFB reader may very
> well be worth
> the money, but will they let me pay for it over a period of 12 months?
> No
> they won't. And yet, why not? What would be the problem? they'd still
> get
> the same amount of money. The problem is they don't want to wait for
it.
> So
> as a consequence, I won't be buying it. So there's a customer they've
> lost,
> there's nearly a grand they haven't earned. How pointless is that? All
> for
> the sake of a simple, easy to manage payment plan scheme.
>
>
> Again agreed there. Not much I can say to this because the above says
> it all.
>
> The GW micro scheme requires relicensing every 30 days, so if I
> suddenly
>
> refuse to keep making the payments, the software simply stops working!
> The company has lost nothing.
>
> No, but they've gained a few quid or bucks in the process so if
> anything they've gained. I'm cureous though would they allow you to
> pick up where you left off or would you have to start the plan all
> over again.
>
> GW are doing very well financially and the product is equal to Jaws in
> most respects, in fact since the new scripting language was
> introduced, I expect
> we'll see more and more accessible solutions being offered on the
> Windoweyes
> platform before long. Yet they feel able to play fare where purchasing
> of
> Windoweyes is concerned by having a lower price initially, lowered
> priced
> upgrades and a payment plan to make it easier for low income customers
> to
> buy the product in the first place, and Freedom Scientific are so
> worried
> about how quickly the Windoweyes customer base is growing that they've
> decided to go for this totally frivolous legal battle.
>
>
> Oh I hope the judges kick their butts and break fs financially for it.
> I'll be the first one up there with the nuce to put round their necks
> that's for sure. They did the same with freedom box didn't they. But
> then again if fs can afford to make these legal battles then their r&d
> costs can't be hitting them that hard can they.
>
> Yes blind people on state benefits do quite well in the UK, but this
> country is the exception rather than the rule Neil. Disabled people in
> America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Canada are far worse
> off than we
> are, to say nothing of the other hundreds of countries where the
> situation
> is almost indescribable.
>
> That's true but everything bar access technology is heavily taxed in
> the UK where as in other countries it's not the case. Just as a point
> of fact, look at the price of fuel over here compared to that of
> america. And they think they've got it expensive.
>
> And can anyone tell me why access solutions cost so much in this
> country? It certainly has nothing to do with taxation because
> Microsoft products don't
> cost all that much more here than anywhere else in the World for
> example,
> and we don't pay VAT on adapted goods anyway. Freedom Scientific and
> other
> US manufacturers are screwing the British over good and proper, and
> there's
> only one reason for it that I can see, its because they can.
>
> It's because of blindness conditioning. Oh don't go for an ipod get a
> victor reader stream because we've made it all nice and cuddley for
> you. That's the long and the short of it accept nobody has the
> courage/balls to come right out and say it.
>
> Matt
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:31 PM
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>> Well in this case we are I'm afraid to say. I've said it before, I'll
>> say it again. If the companies in question reduced their prices or
>> even gave more affordable options for people to pay then more people
>> would pay for said products. It's only their own stupidity that keeps
>> the market small. There's tons of people out there who may want a
>> jaws
>
>> payment plan but does it exist? No. so where do they go, to gw micro.
>> And why is this, because the fools at freedom scientific only see
>> what's coming in now not what will come in if they made their
>> products
>
>> more affordable to their customer base both currant and future. It's
>> simple mathematics. If you can't afford 800 quid in 1 hit but can pay
>> another company who produces and equivalent product at the same price
>> 80 quid for 10 months not including interest what is that person more
>> likely to go for? Assuming they're willing to pay that extra amount
>> of
>
>> interest on top. The point is that the option isn't there. If it was,
>> then I think you'd find less people wining and bitching about it
>> because it could be more affordable. Again, we're right, everybody
>> else is wrong.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:23
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> And just why is that, just because more are for than against, doesn't
>> mean that the majority are right.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:19
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> So? The majority of people don't have to spend 700 quid plus just to
>> make a computer work for them so it balances out IMO. Yes if you got
>> a
>
>> job that's totally cool and all that and power to anybody that has.
>> But even for those in employment it's still expensive, prohibitibely
>> so. Sorry neil but this is an argument you just aren't going to win
>> here. There are more against this than are for it whether people like
>> it or not.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:14
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> Low incomes, do you know with DLA< SDA, Income support, housing
>> benefit and council tax relief that the equivalents salary to a tax
>> payer is more or less like £20,000 per year and if not more...
>>
>> Get over yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:56
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Problem is Freedom scientific wants all its money and it wants it
>> now!
>
>> got to keep paying those fuel bills and green taxes on the private
>> jet
>
>> don't you
>>
>> know?
>>
>> I do think its disgusting that these companies won't even offer a
>> payment plan so blind people on low incomes can spread payment, but
>> as
>
>> far as I know
>>
>> GW Micro is the only company that offers something like that.
>>
>> Freedom Scientific never have that's for sure.
>>
>> I don't know if the situation has changed, but in point of fact, I
>> think we here in Britain pay a huge amount more for Jaws than
>> Americans do, and that's also disgusting!
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:30 AM
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>> Neil,
>>>
>>> Gw micro offer very successfully I might add a payment plan for
>>> windoweyes. What they do is every 30 days you renew the licence of
>>> windoweyes for what ever the amount is I have no idea, so it breaks
>>> the cost down for the individual.
>>>
>>> It can be done.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
>>> -
>
>>> TalkNav
>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:22
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Darren,
>>>
>>> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're
>>> assuming
>
>>> they want to sell it...
>>>
>>> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and
>>> development actually costs.
>>>
>>> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell
>>> your
>
>>> en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is lower,
>>> when
>>
>>> you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher.
>>>
>>> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility
>>> technology
>
>>> is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access companies to
>>> magic research and development which costs millions out of fin air?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come
>>> first
>
>>> then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they offered a
>>> payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and talks as a
>>> bundle
>>
>>> but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so where's
>>> the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too much for the
>>> majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to expect a ton
>>> of
>
>>> people to buy it.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> My god, what an archaic attitude! With that, we'd all be in the
>>> ghettos! I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had manual
>>> typewriters, blind people did ok then as well! In fact, what's the
>>> point of progression anyway? Haha, not starting an argument, just
>>> putting my point over!
>> To
>>> be
>>> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type of
>>> technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D. And, sorry,
>>> you
>
>>> just can't get away from it.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents
>>>> are
>>
>>>> blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can either
>>>> afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is at a
>>>> ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just
>>>> wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for
>>>> what
>
>>>> it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop
>>>> scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do
>>>> tins
>>
>>>> and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped
>>>> without that for years so why worry about it now
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01
>>>> To: Talks-Uk Email group
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it
>>>> was
>>
>>>> slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and now
>>>> the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in
>>>> price.
>
>>>> Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar
>>>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing
>>>> like
>>>
>>>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth
>>>> their
>
>>>> weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives
>>>> could
>>
>>>> be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete
>>>>
>>>> -original message-
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm
>>>>
>>>> Darren,
>>>>
>>>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want
>>>> to
>>>
>>>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the
>>>> cost
>
>>>> of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a
>>>> phone
>>
>>>> which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's
>>>> well
>>
>>>> worth every penny.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>> TalkNav
>>>>
>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>>
>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well
>>>> to
>>
>>>> make it worth buying?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Neil
>>>>
>>>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be
>>>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>>>> Welton House North Wing
>>>> Summerhouse Road
>>>> Moulton Park
>>>> Northampton
>>>> NN3 6WD
>>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
>>>> -
>>
>>>> TalkNav
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Jackie,
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different
>>>> products?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>> TalkNav
>>>>
>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>>
>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve
>>>>
>>>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my
>>>> work
>
>>>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel,
>>>> and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82.
>>>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82,
>>>> and
>
>>>> the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues
>>>> with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep
>>>> the
>>
>>>> phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it
>>>> through.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this
>>>> weekend.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>>> Northampton
>>
>>>> NN3 6WD
>>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jackie,
>>>>
>>>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is
>>>> obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you
>>>> would
>
>>>> see that it is miles faster than the N82.
>>>>
>>>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as
>>>> nice as the N82, if not a bit wider.
>>>>
>>>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than
>>>> the
>>
>>>> N82 in my experience.
>>>>
>>>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which
>>>> helps
>>>
>>>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are
>>>> just
>>
>>>> being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because
>>>> TextScout
>
>>>> is excellent on it.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve
>>>>
>>>> So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you
>>>> think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what
>>>> you
>
>>>> have to say.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>>> Northampton
>>
>>>> NN3 6WD
>>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>
>>>> No news yet. But I love my N86.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a
>>>> point
>>>
>>>> where
>>>>
>>>> I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be
>>>> lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it
>>>> comes
>
>>>> at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm looking
>>>> for!
>>
>>>> Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot more
>>>> powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo!
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
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