[talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:04:23 +0100
Neil it's plain and simple fact. It's kindergarten logic it can't be
disputed. There is no logic that can go against it.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
TalkNav
Sent: 27 September 2009 14:59
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
Darren,
I'm not disagreeing with you, you seem to think I am, what I'm saying is
why on ~Earth are you shouting about it, from what I can tell you'd be
delighted if FS went out of business, you've made your point well and
truly, you don't like them, you think there's a better solution, you
think there's a better business model, and heck, you think there's a
better business period. That's all fine, it's your opinion and we all
don't need our Sunday's full of that.
---Neil Barnfather
TalkNav
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distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
www.talknav.com
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren Harris
Sent: 27 September 2009 14:54
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
Oh come on Neil if it wasn't a viable solution then gw wouldn't do it.
They recognise that it's what the end user requires so they've come up
with it. Power to them for doing it and pitty for those that don't.
You have to spend money in order to make it. The company that is the
most flexible and can move with the times and customer needs will
survive. The company that refuses to or otherwise can't, won't.
Woolworth's for example. sad that it's gone, but anything that you could
buy from there you could get cheaper elsewhere. They became surplus to
requirements so therefore the public disposed of them by not buying from
them. Supply and demand. If you can supply the product at 1 a reasonable
price, 2 in a way that the customer can afford which includes being
flexible, then you have a much greater chance of survival over those who
refuse to see the obvious. That's the long and short of economics.
Provide what the customer wants and you are onto a winner.
Apple are now becoming a viable threat to the likes of fs and even gw
micro. Because they aren't charging any more or less for vo. It's an
integrated part of the os. So every time someone purchases a mac, part
of that purchase what ever the percentage is goes back into their r&d.
people are noticing, look at the I-phone, ipod, and now the ipod touch.
All fully accessible now. With touch screens. Code factories mobile
speak can barely manage a touch screen, talks as yet can't do it, apple
are way ahead of the blind specialists. So what does that tell you? That
the various companies in question had better pull their fingers out and
get competitive otherwise they'll go the way of the t rex. -----Original
Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
TalkNav
Sent: 27 September 2009 14:40
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
A payment plan is not easy to manage, what do you do if someone doesn't
pay, oh yes I here you saying you run it by giving out license codes
each month, well you need support staff for that, oh there goes another
couple of tens of thousands of pounds on staffing costs.
---Neil Barnfather
TalkNav
TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
www.talknav.com
www.wayfinderaccess.com
Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
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-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren Harris
Sent: 27 September 2009 13:37
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
Am going to put my responses in the message because you raise some
interesting points here and I can't remember them all.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matt Brown
Sent: 27 September 2009 12:58
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
I'm not saying these companies shouldn't make a profit, I know I would
want
to if I was at the helm, but the point is there are tried and tested
ways of
making a profit whilst playing fare, and Freedom Scientific simply don't
play fare. Sight And Sound for example, would love to offer customers a
payment plan but Freedom Scientific simply will not let them offer that
option! That's just unreasonable.
Quite agree. Also it's quite brainless in my opinion. A few years ago
when I was a staunch jaws user, I was talking to someone who worked for
fs and at the time I believed them when they said that gw was going bust
because of the payment plan issues. Now of course I realise that's just
a load of bull because basically all they were doing is trying to weeken
the rival product by giving out a load of what I now know to be rubbish.
I've been a Jaws user since version 3.2 all those years ago, and so far
I've
spent way over 2 grand on the product. Now in the days when HJ ran
things,
every new Jaws upgrade was full of new features, but now Freedom
Scientific
have it, the new features list seems to shrink more and more.
The main reason for that is because of all the bugs they create when
they add new features. It's just sloppy programming everybody knows
that. Which is probably why they make people pay for upgrade after
upgrade. I mean look at the dll leaks that jaws had a few years ago, was
that ever fixed? V6 was brilliant on the internet. From v7 it went down
hill until I got v8 and on some pages that I know were fully accessible
the programme would cause the pc to crash. Now put windoweyes up on the
same site, worked a treat. Now yes all programmes have their strong and
week points there's no denying that. But as of yet I've had absolutely
no reason to complain about gw's upgrade polacy. Because if there's bugs
they fix them and as of yet they haven't charged for a massivly bugged
upgrade. I've had my version of wineyes since march 2007. I've only used
1 out of the 3 sma's. and during that time there have been several
upgrades to the programme. That's what I call fare. They are thinking of
their customer base. Are fs? Well it doesn't take rocket science to work
out the answer....
I don't even object to the pricing of all this stuff, as much as I
object to
the fact that these companies do not offer a way to pay for it that is
affordable to people with low incomes. KNFB reader may very well be
worth
the money, but will they let me pay for it over a period of 12 months?
No
they won't. And yet, why not? What would be the problem? they'd still
get
the same amount of money. The problem is they don't want to wait for it.
So
as a consequence, I won't be buying it. So there's a customer they've
lost,
there's nearly a grand they haven't earned. How pointless is that? All
for
the sake of a simple, easy to manage payment plan scheme.
Again agreed there. Not much I can say to this because the above says it
all.
The GW micro scheme requires relicensing every 30 days, so if I suddenly
refuse to keep making the payments, the software simply stops working!
The
company has lost nothing.
No, but they've gained a few quid or bucks in the process so if anything
they've gained. I'm cureous though would they allow you to pick up where
you left off or would you have to start the plan all over again.
GW are doing very well financially and the product is equal to Jaws in
most
respects, in fact since the new scripting language was introduced, I
expect
we'll see more and more accessible solutions being offered on the
Windoweyes
platform before long. Yet they feel able to play fare where purchasing
of
Windoweyes is concerned by having a lower price initially, lowered
priced
upgrades and a payment plan to make it easier for low income customers
to
buy the product in the first place, and Freedom Scientific are so
worried
about how quickly the Windoweyes customer base is growing that they've
decided to go for this totally frivolous legal battle.
Oh I hope the judges kick their butts and break fs financially for it.
I'll be the first one up there with the nuce to put round their necks
that's for sure. They did the same with freedom box didn't they. But
then again if fs can afford to make these legal battles then their r&d
costs can't be hitting them that hard can they.
Yes blind people on state benefits do quite well in the UK, but this
country
is the exception rather than the rule Neil. Disabled people in America,
Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Canada are far worse off than
we
are, to say nothing of the other hundreds of countries where the
situation
is almost indescribable.
That's true but everything bar access technology is heavily taxed in the
UK where as in other countries it's not the case. Just as a point of
fact, look at the price of fuel over here compared to that of america.
And they think they've got it expensive.
And can anyone tell me why access solutions cost so much in this
country? It
certainly has nothing to do with taxation because Microsoft products
don't
cost all that much more here than anywhere else in the World for
example,
and we don't pay VAT on adapted goods anyway. Freedom Scientific and
other
US manufacturers are screwing the British over good and proper, and
there's
only one reason for it that I can see, its because they can.
It's because of blindness conditioning. Oh don't go for an ipod get a
victor reader stream because we've made it all nice and cuddley for you.
That's the long and the short of it accept nobody has the courage/balls
to come right out and say it.
Matt
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From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:31 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
> Well in this case we are I'm afraid to say. I've said it before, I'll
> say it again. If the companies in question reduced their prices or
> even gave more affordable options for people to pay then more people
> would pay for said products. It's only their own stupidity that keeps
> the market small. There's tons of people out there who may want a jaws
> payment plan but does it exist? No. so where do they go, to gw micro.
> And why is this, because the fools at freedom scientific only see
> what's coming in now not what will come in if they made their products
> more affordable to their customer base both currant and future. It's
> simple mathematics. If you can't afford 800 quid in 1 hit but can pay
> another company who produces and equivalent product at the same price
> 80 quid for 10 months not including interest what is that person more
> likely to go for? Assuming they're willing to pay that extra amount of
> interest on top. The point is that the option isn't there. If it was,
> then I think you'd find less people wining and bitching about it
> because it could be more affordable. Again, we're right, everybody
> else is wrong.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:23
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> And just why is that, just because more are for than against, doesn't
> mean that the majority are right.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:19
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> So? The majority of people don't have to spend 700 quid plus just to
> make a computer work for them so it balances out IMO. Yes if you got a
> job that's totally cool and all that and power to anybody that has.
> But even for those in employment it's still expensive, prohibitibely
> so. Sorry neil but this is an argument you just aren't going to win
> here. There are more against this than are for it whether people like
> it or not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:14
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> Low incomes, do you know with DLA< SDA, Income support, housing
> benefit and council tax relief that the equivalents salary to a tax
> payer is more or less like £20,000 per year and if not more...
>
> Get over yourself.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:56
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> Problem is Freedom scientific wants all its money and it wants it now!
> got to keep paying those fuel bills and green taxes on the private jet
> don't you
>
> know?
>
> I do think its disgusting that these companies won't even offer a
> payment plan so blind people on low incomes can spread payment, but as
> far as I know
>
> GW Micro is the only company that offers something like that.
>
> Freedom Scientific never have that's for sure.
>
> I don't know if the situation has changed, but in point of fact, I
> think we here in Britain pay a huge amount more for Jaws than
> Americans do, and that's also disgusting!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:30 AM
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>> Neil,
>>
>> Gw micro offer very successfully I might add a payment plan for
>> windoweyes. What they do is every 30 days you renew the licence of
>> windoweyes for what ever the amount is I have no idea, so it breaks
>> the cost down for the individual.
>>
>> It can be done.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:22
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> Darren,
>>
>> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're assuming
>> they want to sell it...
>>
>> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and
>> development actually costs.
>>
>> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell your
>> en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is lower,
>> when
>
>> you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher.
>>
>> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility technology
>> is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access companies to
>> magic research and development which costs millions out of fin air?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come first
>> then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they offered a
>> payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and talks as a
>> bundle
>
>> but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so where's
>> the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too much for the
>> majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to expect a ton of
>> people to buy it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> My god, what an archaic attitude! With that, we'd all be in the
>> ghettos! I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had manual
>> typewriters, blind people did ok then as well! In fact, what's the
>> point of progression anyway? Haha, not starting an argument, just
>> putting my point over!
> To
>> be
>> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type of
>> technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D. And, sorry, you
>> just can't get away from it.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents
>>> are
>
>>> blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can either
>>> afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is at a
>>> ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just
>>> wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for what
>>> it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop
>>> scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do
>>> tins
>
>>> and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped
>>> without that for years so why worry about it now
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01
>>> To: Talks-Uk Email group
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it
>>> was
>
>>> slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and now
>>> the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in price.
>>> Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar
>>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing
>>> like
>>
>>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth their
>>> weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives
>>> could
>
>>> be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete
>>>
>>> -original message-
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm
>>>
>>> Darren,
>>>
>>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want
>>> to
>>
>>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the cost
>>> of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a
>>> phone
>
>>> which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's
>>> well
>
>>> worth every penny.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well
>>> to
>
>>> make it worth buying?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Neil
>>>
>>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be
>>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>>> Welton House North Wing
>>> Summerhouse Road
>>> Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
>>> -
>
>>> TalkNav
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Jackie,
>>>
>>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different
>>> products?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Steve
>>>
>>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my work
>>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel,
>>> and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82.
>>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, and
>>> the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues
>>> with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out.
>>>
>>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep
>>> the
>
>>> phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it
>>> through.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Jackie,
>>>
>>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is
>>> obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you would
>>> see that it is miles faster than the N82.
>>>
>>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as
>>> nice as the N82, if not a bit wider.
>>>
>>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than
>>> the
>
>>> N82 in my experience.
>>>
>>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which
>>> helps
>>
>>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are
>>> just
>
>>> being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because TextScout
>>> is excellent on it.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Steve
>>>
>>> So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you
>>> think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what you
>>> have to say.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>> No news yet. But I love my N86.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a
>>> point
>>
>>> where
>>>
>>> I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be
>>> lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it comes
>>> at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm looking
>>> for!
>
>>> Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot more
>>> powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo!
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
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>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
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>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
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>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
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>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
>> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
>> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
http://www.eset.com
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
09/26/09 17:51:00
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
09/26/09 17:51:00
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
09/26/09 17:51:00
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
09/26/09 17:51:00
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
09/26/09 17:51:00
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
09/26/09 17:51:00
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