[talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:19:40 +0100
Lol even the ms solution is more powerful than supernova. I must admit
it got me out of a very nasty scrape last night so I can't slag narrator
off too much because if it wasn't for that I would have lost over 37
gigs of data. So yeah it has it's uses.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matt Brown
Sent: 27 September 2009 13:01
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
Oh and the built in Windows screen reader is a joke, whereas the
Voiceover
solution on the Mac is far more impressive I have to say. Now it
supports
Apple scripts its a serious contender up there with Windoweyes and Jaws,
its
certainly more powerful than Supernova at any rate.
Matt
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From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:11 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
> Mat,
>
> There are millions of people who cannot afford a car or petrol to go
> in
> it,
> yet the owners of said companies all have private jets etc, shall we
burn
> them at the stake too?
>
> I didn't realise that accessibility companies and organisations were
> barred
> from making profits... where is that written?
>
> Agreed it does seem a little immoral, but we in the blindness
> community
> seem
> to think it's against some unwritten law to turn a profit when selling
to
> disabled folk, it's not, and as a capitalist myself I don't see the
> problem.
>
> If you don't like FS don't buy their stuff, if you want a cheaper
> solution do it yourself, one thing I can assure you of, is if you
> invent a way of cleaning up drinking water or a cure for aids next
> week, you yourself do this, are you going to give it away free, are
> you going to charge something which only gives you a tiny margin, or
> are you going to charge what the market can give you for your product?
>
> It's about time that we stopped thinking as ourselves as poor and
> defenceless, there are alternatives, Windows and MAC both come with
> built in free of charge screen readers, granted their not as good, but
> they are there, options exist to avoid having to line the pockets of
> FS etc, if you don't like their practices don't buy from them.
>
> Gosh.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:52
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> Neil I'd agree with your argument 100 percent, if I hadn't been
> recently made aware that the CEO of Freedom Scientific has his own
> private jet! So while a large number of blind people around the World
> are living under the poverty line and struggling to make enough money
> to be able to afford Jaws or a Braille display, there's a guy out
> there swanning around in his private
>
> jet and playing golf off the profits.
>
> Now I'm 100 percent capitalist. I'm running a company and fully intend
> to
> be
>
> a millionaire myself before long lol! But at least I'm fleecing
> everyone, companies like Freedom Scientific are only fleecing the
> blind market and growing fat off the results.
>
> More and more as I listen to better and better reviews of Voiceover
> running
> on the Mac, I'm considering switching my day to day computing to a
> MacBook.
> I currently run a Windows desktop for day to day, and a Windows
desktop in
> the recording studio. But I was thinking of getting rid of my day to
day
> desktop in favour of a more environmentally friendly NetBook because
all I
> do is word process, spreadsheets, Internet, listen to music or books,
> watch
> movies and Email. There's just no need for a big desktop for that
stuff
> anymore.
>
> But then I'm starting to hear about how good Voiceover is in the new
> version
>
> of the Mac OS, so I'm asking myself, Windows or Mac then?
>
> If I go for a MacBook, I'll never have to worry about paying for a
> Jaws upgrade again! I think that's the thing that sickens me about
> Jaws most of all, is the SMA we're forced to pay! Windoweyes is a
> major competitor for Jaws, equal in functionality and usability, and
> yet its much less money and upgrades aren't priced anything like as
> high as the Jaws ones. Only reason I'm using Jaws at all is that
> Windoweyes support for Cakewalk Sonar isn't brilliant yet, nowhere
> near what it is for Jaws, but what makes me laugh is
> that Cakewalk Sonar support through Jaws is actually not provided by
> Freedom
>
> Scientific at all but by a third party developer, and it cost even
> more money on top of Jaws lol!
>
> I know this is getting off topic now, but I raise these points because
> the issues with the KNFB reader software that started this thread have
> to be placed in the context of the entire accessibility theatre in
> order to be viewed objectively.
>
> There can be no doubt that the high price tag of KNFB reader is
> putting
> the
> majority of blind mobile phone users off! That's a fact Neil, it can't
be
> argued with. If the price was slashed in half, I would be prepared to
bet
> that sales would at least triple. The company would still make their
money
> but would be reaching out to more customers thus building a stronger
> market
> base for the future.
>
> The sales model they've adopted is just wrong, Nuance and Code Factory
> are proving that its the wrong model with every new copy of their
> products that they sell!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:21 AM
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>> Darren,
>>
>> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're assuming
>> they
>> want to sell it...
>>
>> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and
>> development actually costs.
>>
>> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell your
>> en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is lower,
>> when you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher.
>>
>> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility technology
>> is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access companies to
>> magic research and development which costs millions out of fin air?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come first
>> then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they offered a
>> payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and talks as a
>> bundle but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so
>> where's the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too much
>> for the majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to expect
>> a ton of people to buy it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> My god, what an archaic attitude! With that, we'd all be in the
>> ghettos! I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had manual
>> typewriters, blind
>> people did ok then as well! In fact, what's the point of progression
>> anyway? Haha, not starting an argument, just putting my point over!
To
>> be
>> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type of
>> technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D. And, sorry, you
>> just
>> can't get away from it.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents
>>> are blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can
>>> either afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is
>>> at a ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just
>>> wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for what
>>> it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop
>>> scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do
>>> tins and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have
>>> coped without that for years so why worry about it now
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01
>>> To: Talks-Uk Email group
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it
>>> was slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and
>>> now the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in
>>> price. Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar
>>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing
>>> like
>>
>>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth their
>>> weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives
>>> could be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete
>>>
>>> -original message-
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm
>>>
>>> Darren,
>>>
>>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want
>>> to
>>
>>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the cost
>>> of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a
>>> phone which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products
>>> it's well worth every penny.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well
>>> to make it worth buying?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Neil
>>>
>>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be
>>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>>> Welton House North Wing
>>> Summerhouse Road
>>> Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
>>> - TalkNav
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Jackie,
>>>
>>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different
>>> products?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Steve
>>>
>>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my work
>>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel,
>>> and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82.
>>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, and
>>> the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues
>>> with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out.
>>>
>>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep
>>> the phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it
>>> through.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>> Northampton NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Jackie,
>>>
>>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is
>>> obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you would
>>> see that it is miles faster than the N82.
>>>
>>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as
>>> nice as the N82, if not a bit wider.
>>>
>>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than
>>> the N82 in my experience.
>>>
>>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which
>>> helps
>>
>>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are
>>> just being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because
>>> TextScout is excellent on it.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Steve
>>>
>>> So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you
>>> think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what you
>>> have to say.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>> Northampton NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>> No news yet. But I love my N86.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a
>>> point
>>
>>> where
>>>
>>> I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be
>>> lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it comes
>>> at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm looking
>>> for! Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot
>>> more powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo!
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
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