[talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:06:30 +0100
Yes we do. And the americans aren't interested in selling to us at all.
I'll never go with jaws again because of the offhanded way they deal
with their customers. The gw technical support is very good there's
always staff on their mailing list who are always happy to help and are
very active when it comes to it, and as you've already pointed out, the
costs of upgrades is a fraction of what bloody fs offer. Is it any
wonder they're taking gw to court over something as stupid as their
place marker issues. They want to become the microsoft of the adaptive
tech industry and blow away all the competition. Well if they blew away
windoweyes then yeah I'd definitely go with the mac from what I've herd
although I really do want to see one in action. I've herd a ton about
it.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matt Brown
Sent: 27 September 2009 11:56
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
Problem is Freedom scientific wants all its money and it wants it now!
got
to keep paying those fuel bills and green taxes on the private jet don't
you
know?
I do think its disgusting that these companies won't even offer a
payment
plan so blind people on low incomes can spread payment, but as far as I
know
GW Micro is the only company that offers something like that.
Freedom Scientific never have that's for sure.
I don't know if the situation has changed, but in point of fact, I think
we
here in Britain pay a huge amount more for Jaws than Americans do, and
that's also disgusting!
Matt
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From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:30 AM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
> Neil,
>
> Gw micro offer very successfully I might add a payment plan for
> windoweyes. What they do is every 30 days you renew the licence of
> windoweyes for what ever the amount is I have no idea, so it breaks
> the cost down for the individual.
>
> It can be done.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:22
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> Darren,
>
> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're assuming
> they want to sell it...
>
> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and
> development actually costs.
>
> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell your
> en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is lower, when
> you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher.
>
> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility technology
> is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access companies to
> magic research and development which costs millions out of fin air?
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come first
> then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they offered a
> payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and talks as a bundle
> but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so where's
> the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too much for the
> majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to expect a ton of
> people to buy it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden
> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> My god, what an archaic attitude! With that, we'd all be in the
> ghettos! I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had manual
> typewriters, blind
> people did ok then as well! In fact, what's the point of progression
> anyway? Haha, not starting an argument, just putting my point over!
To
> be
> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type of
> technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D. And, sorry, you
> just
> can't get away from it.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents are
>> blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can either
>> afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is at a
>> ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just
>> wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for what
>> it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop
>> scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do tins
>> and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped
>> without that for years so why worry about it now
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01
>> To: Talks-Uk Email group
>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it was
>> slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and now
>> the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in price.
>> Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar
>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing
>> like
>
>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth their
>> weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives could
>> be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete
>>
>> -original message-
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm
>>
>> Darren,
>>
>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want
>> to
>
>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the cost
>> of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a phone
>> which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's well
>> worth every penny.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well to
>> make it worth buying?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> Hi Neil
>>
>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be
>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding.
>>
>>
>> Jackie Cairns
>> Braille Specialist
>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>> Welton House North Wing
>> Summerhouse Road
>> Moulton Park
>> Northampton
>> NN3 6WD
>> Tel: 01604 798024
>> Mob: 07887 883815
>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Jackie,
>>
>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different products?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my work
>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel,
>> and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82.
>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, and
>> the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues
>> with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out.
>>
>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep the
>> phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it through.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this
>> weekend.
>>
>>
>> Jackie Cairns
>> Braille Specialist
>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton
>> NN3 6WD
>> Tel: 01604 798024
>> Mob: 07887 883815
>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Hi Jackie,
>>
>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is
>> obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you would
>> see that it is miles faster than the N82.
>>
>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as
>> nice as the N82, if not a bit wider.
>>
>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than the
>> N82 in my experience.
>>
>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which
>> helps
>
>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are just
>> being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because TextScout
>> is excellent on it.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you
>> think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what you
>> have to say.
>>
>>
>> Jackie Cairns
>> Braille Specialist
>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton
>> NN3 6WD
>> Tel: 01604 798024
>> Mob: 07887 883815
>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> No news yet. But I love my N86.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news...
>>
>> Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a
>> point
>
>> where
>>
>> I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be
>> lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it comes
>> at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm looking for!
>> Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot more
>> powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo!
>>
>> Matt
>>
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