It is if you can cope with it or shed out 600 quid lol. I know what I'd rather do myself rather than spending all that money on a specific piece of data. Jaws is a ripoff price but at least you can use it for almost every aspect of the pc. Windoweyes is actually cheaper because unlike the ripoff shark, they don't charge you for every 2 upgrades. I bought the programme back in early to mid 2007 with 3 sma's. I've only used 1 and since then it's gone from v6.0 to 6.1, to 7.0 which is a sma upgrade, to 7.01 to 7.1 to 7.11. look at jaws. Yes windoweyes is the same layout inicially but they don't rip off their customers like fs do. Now the knfb is in the same league. 600 quid for a programme that makes use of a camera? Um yeah it's expensive, stupidly so. -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: 25 September 2009 19:09 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... Darren, Whilst I agree in part with what you're saying, blind people also lived without white sticks, guide dogs, liquid levels indicators, braillers etc for years, so why bother with all that too? I agree it's expensive, but your argument over not bothering because we've not needed it before or had to have it before is not a good one. ---Neil Barnfather TalkNav TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? www.talknav.com www.wayfinderaccess.com Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Harris Sent: 25 September 2009 19:01 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents are blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can either afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is at a ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for what it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do tins and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped without that for years so why worry about it now -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01 To: Talks-Uk Email group Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news... Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it was slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and now the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in price. Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing like FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth their weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives could be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm Darren, KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want to get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the cost of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a phone which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's well worth every penny. ---Neil Barnfather TalkNav TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? www.talknav.com www.wayfinderaccess.com Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Harris Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well to make it worth buying? -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... Hi Neil K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding. Jackie Cairns Braille Specialist Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton NN3 6WD Tel: 01604 798024 Mob: 07887 883815 www.sightandsound.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... Jackie, Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different products? ---Neil Barnfather TalkNav TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? www.talknav.com www.wayfinderaccess.com Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... Hi Steve I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my work N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel, and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82. Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, and the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out. I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep the phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it through. I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this weekend. Jackie Cairns Braille Specialist Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton NN3 6WD Tel: 01604 798024 Mob: 07887 883815 www.sightandsound.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... Hi Jackie, The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you would see that it is miles faster than the N82. It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as nice as the N82, if not a bit wider. An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than the N82 in my experience. The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which helps KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are just being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because TextScout is excellent on it. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... Hi Steve So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what you have to say. Jackie Cairns Braille Specialist Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton NN3 6WD Tel: 01604 798024 Mob: 07887 883815 www.sightandsound.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... Hi Matt, No news yet. But I love my N86. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matt Brown Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news... Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a point where I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it comes at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm looking for! Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot more powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo! Matt __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4169 (20090619) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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