I an not obstructive Paul and look forward to my refund in the months ahead. Neil gave me a satisfactory response for which I would like to thank him once again. Eleanor -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Destination Reached, for Wayfinder Access From: "Paul Leake" <paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 16/07/2010 4:13 pm eleanor neil has surely given you a way forward in his last email to you. it's never enough for you though is it? I wonder why you are so obstructive! Cheers Paul paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Destination Reached, for Wayfinder Access Of little comfort to me Neil but I am pleased for others whom you have unstintingly strived to assist. Given that I have an e-mail from yourself telling me that you could not remember giving me the code. This despite me forwarding an e-mail to you from Wayfinder in which it is clearly stated that you gave me the code. Apparently Nuance have no record of me at all! Eleanor -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Destination Reached, for Wayfinder Access From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 16/07/2010 9:50 am Apologies for the cross list posting, if you own a Wayfinder Access license, or know someone who does, the below message is essential reading. Dear All, As many of you will be aware, Wayfinder Access, the only accessible GPS point to point navigation solution for the Symbian platform was discontinued in early 2010. Following this move, myself along with several other users of the access product began a protest petition site with the intention of raising our plight to the powers that be at Vodafone Group Plc based here in the UK. Vodafone had in early 2009 purchased Wayfinder with a view to offering GPS products throughout its global network of mobile phone carriers, however, with the advent of free GPS products from Nokia and Google to name but a few as well as other technical difficulties, Vodafone quickly discovered that it couldn't monetize its investment. Unfortunately they chose to terminate the Wayfinder range of products and this included the only accessible GPS turn by turn application on the Symbian platform. After months of negotiations, and an extensive media campaign, I have finally reached an agreement with Vodafone on behalf of all Wayfinder Access users. Sadly the package does not include an exchange element, much to my deepest regret, Vodafone have decided not to take this option. Together with several key players in the accessible GPS market, TalkNav had arranged an excellent proposal solution whereby end users received a completely accessible alternative GPS product in exchange for their existing WF Access license. The proposal would cost Vodafone no more than the refund program is going to cost them, and they'd have received significant positive feedback from us as a user group should they have opted for this route. The proposed alternative exchange product included both a new hardware unit and software, and would have outperformed significantly Wayfinder Access's capabilities. Furthermore it was usable by all existing WF Access users in every territory to which it was sold. The hardware was small and light weight and an immensely practical solution. Even better was that this move would have opened these currently unavailable accessible GPS markets, other than for WF Access, to new users also purchasing accessible GPS technology. Therefore this program would have benefited the wider community of blind individuals out there. As the case is, and the answer is final, Vodafone have decided to leave many hundreds of you without an accessible GPS alternative solution, and instead simply part-refund you. We have repeatedly raised the objection that this proposal does not allow for many users who have no alternative, that our program would have introduced that alternative, and would have opened that market for other users to buy said solution. As stated though, sadly this was not to be. Vodafone have decided to release the source code for Wayfinder into the wider community for open source development, however, given the nature of the code and the fact that so very much has changed within the GPS and Symbian world since Wayfinder last significantly updated their source code. It will be more difficult to expect a development firm to be able to easily modify the product and support it on a new platform outside the existing infrastructure, not withstanding expensive. The agreed part-refund rate for all WF Access license holders, irrespective of purchase date, last usage or single region licensed is €300. This figure will be paid directly by Wayfinder to all users who successfully complete and qualify under their refund program, details of which will be finalized and published by Vodafone in late Summer 2010. The part-refund is to be paid per license held, and therefore it can be assumed that for those of you with multi-region licenses that you, should, receive a refund of €300 per region that you have licensed. So this is good news especially for those who purchased the World region product exclusively available through TalkNav. I cannot express to you all, my most sincere regret that Vodafone Group and Wayfinder have taken this approach given the obvious and clear benefits available to both sets of parties and the seemingly lack of negatives. Ultimately though, the decision is not ours to make and it has been made by Vodafone Group as outlined above. Vodafone have stated that they expect the program to begin commencement in late Summer 2010, and that the program will be operated via an accessible online service backed up by a UK service centre. -Statement Ends- Twitter: @neilbarnfather Neil Barnfather TalkNav Talks List Administrator TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility dealer, with online activation codes sent directly to your inbox minutes after ordering, why not use TalkNav today? www.talknav.com sales@xxxxxxxxxxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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