Hi Steve, agree with most of what you've said, but these things aren't as important to me as they probably are to you. I'm using the iPhone so much more than I did the N85, not sure why, but it's very intuitive to me, I'm accessing stuff very easily, playing games, puzzles, reading news/information via an interface that really does bring it to your fingertips. It's much more pleasant to listen to, very responsive and a real pleasure to have...that's why tonnes of people have them. The N85 and phones like them, now, to me, seem very clinical and business orientated, but the iPhone is fun, current and very very geeky and gadgety!...I must disagree with your there, it's the most gadgety thing I've ever had, I think some people just don't take to it, fortunately I have. BTW, Yep, iTunes is so different, but I must admit, I like the way your phone is always backed up to the PC, and BTW, you can delete pictures very easy on the phone, not sure about music, haven't got any on at the mo. Take it easy and long live competition and accessible options to us all! Cheers Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Nutt To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Changed subject line/iPhone Hi Steve, Restrictions. Let's see. The camera is utter crap, so no OCR in poor light. Doesn't even have flash. No way to connect external GPS receiver, and the GPS receiver inbuilt is poor too. No way to connect a Bluetooth keyboard, until OS 4. No way to delete music from the phone, until you get to a PC. You can delete apps, but not music or pictures. How odd. No way to put music on the phone via Bluetooth or any other way, other than iTunes. No way to swap ringtones via Bluetooth. Actually, it is not a smart phone at all, it is a PC accessory. My N86 can do all of the above easily. Having said all that, I love some of the iPhone apps that are simply not available for Symbian, or if they are, they are not accessible, and I do have an iPhone. But it is not geek friendly. All the best Steve From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve S Sent: Tuesday 18 May 2010 11:58 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Changed subject line/iPhone Hi Hussain, well fair enough, guess there's always a way around things. Yes I am very happy with the phone, regardless of the few restrictions as you call them. I'm not exactly sure what it is someone would want to do that the phone restricts them so much, but all I can say is that this phone offers a barrel load of affordable options to a VIP user that the Nokia phones I've had don't...and I'm using it so much more than I ever did my N85. Cheers Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hussein Patwa To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic Hi Steve, Interesting that. And interesting that you went to all the operators on the high street. I usually do all my negotiating over the phone as it is far easier to get a deal pushed through without people waiting in the queue as is the case in a shop. I did send the iPhone back, but I did also make enquiries into tariffs at the time, and with O2 recently for a friend who does have the iPhone. For the latter, I was the silent party on the conference call that helped negotiate the deal. Looks like you're happy with what you got though, and if you can live with all the iPhone's restrictions, then yes it is overall a good piece of kit for what it has. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve S Sent: 18 May 2010 11:01 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic Hi Hussain, well I talked to all the companies who do the iPhone and have shops in my city...02, Vodafone, Orange, T Mobile, 3, Tesco and Virgin. T Mobile and Virgin said they don't do the iPhone and the others had exactly the same tarrif, apart from Tesco who had a 12 month contract at £20 per month, but £340 for the handset. When I say exactly, I mean exactly and I did try to bargain, but were told by all of them Apple set their own tarrifs. This maybe a tactic on their part, but I had absolutely no bargaining power, as I couldn't say I could get a better deal elsewhere, because I couldn't. Paying £340 at Tesco wasn't an option and paying £40+ wasn't either, so I went for a £35/24 month contract, which I'm very happy with, as the iPhone is an amazing piece of equipment and I wouldn't be able to get 1 otherwise...I just carried on paying the same as I did for my N85. BTW, didn't you say a few weeks ago Hussain that you sent your iPhone back as you didn't like the way it's locked down? Sorry if this wasn't you, but it's just ringing a bell, cheers Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hussein Patwa To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:01 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic Hi Steve, Where did you hear that Apple set the tariffs? Sorry, but this just isn't true when you start talking to the networks, at least with T-Mobile and O2, the first I know from personal experience and the latter from being a silent party to a conference call when the deal was set up. Apple may set tariffs, but that does not mean that networks stick by them. So, my advice is to negotiate with the network, especially if you have a competitive offer or are doing a contract renewal. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve S Sent: 17 May 2010 22:13 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Off topic Hi Jim. Apple set their own tarrifs, so it doesn't matter where you go, all the deals are the same. I've had my iPhone for a few weeks now and as far as I can remember (don't quote me), you're looking at around £30 per month=300 minutes/300texts/1gig of data transfer and you'll have to pay approx £129 for the handset on 18 month contract. £35=600 minutes/unlimited texts/1gig of data transfer and you'll pay approx £87 for the handset on 24 month contract. Best thing to do is have a look on the web and you'll get the full picture, cheers Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: jim To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Off topic Hi, Apologies for the off topic message, but not sure where else I could ask this question. I'm thinking of getting an Iphone and I'm wondering what the best cim is out there, with free calls over all networks, text messages and unlimited broadband connection. Would I have to go contract with a cim only card that would achieve the above or could I go pay as you go? If i have to go contract, who is giving the best deals. If you feel this is off topic, maybe you could answer the questions off list at: j_doherty2@xxxxxxx Thanks in advance for any assistance. Jim