[tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday
- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:39:40 -0400
I not staying at home apparently you did not read what I said. I not
staying home by a long shot. I just made choices that suit my needs and my
feeling safe. You want to do something different that is fine with me.
Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Lynn Evans
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:27 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re:
pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday
You say Joe is doing something.
How can anyone be doing something by staying home? Isn't that doing
anything? It is dangerous to move your body out there wherever out there
is. How funny it sounds for me to say this: One as a blind person, a person
with low vision, one as a high partial we all need to be in public and be
seen by the public.
We are here and we are going to stay here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Ben Moshe <mailto:danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re:
pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday
I also think that there is a problem with identification. For
example here in south Florida there are many hit and runs. Especially when
the driver knows that they have hit a Blind person. They know that the
burden of proof will be on the person who is hit at the time, and again, if
there are not any witnesses, the mater goes unsolved. Times are very tough
for Blind people right now, and we as a community must do things that
protect us, as a community. There are major problems with job security,
housing, trying not to get killed just walking down the streets, being taken
advantage of by people, who feel it as their duty to run us down, at their
will. We are living in very different times then those who are older then
us, and people are not as nice. And they are very careless, about other
things, much less Blind people. Although it is not something I would do. I
believe that Joe might have a point. He is doing something that fits his
needs for the moment. And we all ought to take a look, at what works for us
as a community, and as individuals. As people get more detached from reality
with their cell phones, and IPods, and head phones, things are only going to
get worse. We need to be able to function within these guide lines, because
as I said before. Other people are not going to stand up for us, if we are
not for ourselves. The great Rabbi Hillel said " Who will be for us, if we
are not for ourselves." We don't need to be afraid, or fearful, but we do
need to pay attention to things, not expecting people to care, or watch for
us. We are living in a very selfish age. Just my thoughts.
I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
B'ni Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County,
www.theblindcansee.org
Choose ye this day whom you will serve. If YHWH be Elohim, then
serve him, with all of your heart. However, if Baal be your god, then serve
him. As for me, and my house. We choose to serve YHWH!
The late Bishop Joe O Patterson told a story long ago, when I was a
small child. about the show down, between Elijah, and the 450 false
prophets of Baal. He shared with us how Elijah, stood, and told the false
prophets to go on ahead,and call their god first. Because they had a much
larger program. He talked about how they had 450 participants to introduce.
Elijah was so sure of YHWH, he with confidence said, that he only had one.
Elijah also reminded them, that they had to drag their fake god up the
mountain side on an ox cart. Elijah also announced to the world, that his
Elohim would be there when he arrived. He said mockingly, you go on ahead.
Heck, I will even let you have prime time. I'M going to take a nap, and
when you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your
best shot.
Bishop Joe O Patterson
A blessed memory
1963-1989
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darla J. Rogers
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:44 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was Re:
pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday
Hi chip,
Your assertions are borne out in all the articles I have read--many
more than I want to think about--about blind people involved in accidents
with motor vehicles.
Darla
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From: Chip Orange <mailto:Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:17 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was
Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday
I agree with William here: police don't in force the laws
regarding wrecklace driving, in my opinion, when it happens as part of a
right on red, probably because they turn right on red themselves quite
frequently, and figure it could have happened to them.
I think it's happening much more often because of cell
phones, and other distractions, although the right on red is just designed
for accidents to begin with.
So, if it's happening a lot more often, and police aren't
doing anything about it, it's a dangerous combination!
The other times, when a blind pedestrian is involved, I
think they automatically just assume the blind person can't see what they're
doing, so probably stepped out into traffic at the wrong time. You'd have
to have several very vocal witnesses before you could overcome this
prejudice. Therefore, I think the driver will seldombe be charged when a
blind pedestrian is involved.
Chip
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Chip Orange
Database Administrator
Florida Public Service Commission
Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(850) 413-6314
(Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and
do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of blindwilly
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:36 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian accidents; was
Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday
Erica,
I sure hope the driver is not connected with the police or
there will be no justice.
I have heard that people obey the laws that are convenient
to them. Likewise, the police enforce the laws that are convenient for
them.
William
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From: ericamccaul@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:07 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: why so many pedestrian
accidents; was Re: pedestrian/auto accident report yesterday
Chip,
I'm hoping that the initiation of the red-light
running ticketing program will help flush out the answer here.
I certainly think driving behaviors have degraded
since the advent of cell phones and especially texting!
However, I've also heard law enforcement's argument
that they have "more important" things to do than catch speeders, etc.
You would think that an increased law enforcement
presence would in fact improve drivers' behavior. I will say that if my
neighborhood is any example, it, sadly, does not. Cops are out in force
many, many days in the school zone near my home... and I see at least 2 cars
pulled ever each day for speeding in the well-marked school zone. So, for
all the days and years the school and school zone have been there, and all
the days and weeks the cops have been there, apparently the drivers that
frequent this area keep believing "They won't catch me."
On a related matter, below I have pasted an update
to the hit and run accident on Madison street over the weekend.
SUV connected with Saturday hit-and-run identified
published Sept. 27 11:17am
An SUV traveling near Florida State University's
campus was identified by an FSU police officer as the vehicle connected with
Saturday's hit-and-run incident on West Madison Street, reported Officer
David McCranie, spokesman for the Tallahassee Police Department, in a news
release.
Kathy Raynor, 59, was struck by a vehicle while
walking along the 700 block of West Madison Street, the release said.
Witnesses said that the SUV drove off after hitting
Raynor. They described the SUV as a black newer model, possibly a Jeep Grand
Cherokee, with tinted windows, black rims and damage near the driver's-side
headlight.
According to the release, the SUV was seized after
an FSU police officer matched it to hit-and-run witnesses' descriptions.
TPD's traffic homicide unit is investigating the SUV.
Raynor suffered serious injuries and is currently in
serious, but stable condition at Tallahassee Memorial Hospital, the release
stated.
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