[tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)

  • From: "Easy Talk" <easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:37:48 -0500

I didn't really notice a difference.

Robert

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 AM
Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)


yes, we have a two story, although I think you've got a three right?

still, your bills seem excessively high.

I didn't understand how you said the new hot water heater effected your
bill?  were you saying your bills were much worse before the new hot
water heater???

Chip


-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Easy Talk
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:54 AM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)

Hi Chip,

We had an energy audit right after we bought the house.  Is
your home multi
level,  that makes a difference since heat rises and the
lower part is
always cooler than the up stairs.  We also replaced our hot
water heater
with a energy efficient model about a year and a half ago.
The amounts were
the entire bill.  We also have a large freezer and I have a small
refrigerator in the office and a hot tub with 3 filter and
jet pumps with
gas heat which is currently off.

Robert

----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:12 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)


> Robert,
>
> yep; I absolutely agree the state should be doing something
to compensate
> Tallahassee, but they aren't, and we can't make them.  btw,
even those of
> us
> who live outside the city limits pay the higher electric
rates to make up
> for the lack of property taxes, so this is something shared by all
> residents
> of Leon county.  as much as county residents seem to use
city services
> though, I think it's fair to charge us.
>
> as for energy issues, well, we'll see about your heaters.
I've read
> they're
> ultimately no different than any other electric strip
heating, which is to
> say, not very good.
>
> your bills are *way* to high for a house that size; why not
get one of the
> free energy audits?  there's got to be a problem somewhere.
 we have a
> house
> similar in size; we have a lot of things which use much
more power than
> you
> do (I'm guessing on this); this such as a pool pump motor
as part of a
> fountain, which costs about $80 a month to run; we have
over 50 (52 I
> think)
> windows, and a great deal of landscape lighting, and our
bills are roughly
> half what yours are!  you are talking just electric right,
and not your
> entire utility bill from the city?  I know water and sewer
can add a lot
> to
> the total.
>
> One thing we just did was to buy a new electric hot water
heater.  we got
> it
> from Sears, for various reasons, but it has a huge amount
of insulation
> built into the tank, making it much much bigger than the
old one, but we
> can
> see at least $50 a month reduction in our electric bills (I
think).  it's
> not one of the kind the city is pushing with a heat pump
built in, I am
> not
> sure about those yet, it's just a very well insulated
electric water
> heater
> with lots of extra features designed to protect it from
hard water build
> up.
> It comes in various sizes (we got the 55 gallon tank), and
I can give
> anyone
> looking at a new tank the link to it on the Sears web site.  It was
> somewhere around $400 so you're not spending too much extra money.
>
> Chip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Easy Talk
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 6:03 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>
> Just call me Joe,
>
> The government isn't out to screw us they are already doing it on a
> federal,
> state and local level.  Whether it is intentional or not
isn't clear but
> stupidity and bad management along with political favors
means you get
> screwed.
> If I choose to live in the capital and the state exempts
state buildings
> from paying local property taxes, why should the citizens
in the capital
> carry the burden through higher utility rates since the
city chooses to
> use
> the profits from utilities which are a necessity to
compensate for the
> states inability to compensate the city for a state law
that puts the
> burden
> on the citizens of Tallahassee.  If the city was doing
there job, why not
> push the legislature to impose a penny or two on all cities utility
> customers and give it to the city
>
> As far as turning your air on or off, let's look at it this
way. say you
> normally set your thermostat to 70 degrease and at this
setting your
> system
> comes on once a hour for 15 minutes to matins the
temperature. When you
> leave to go to work at 7-30 you reduce the temperature to
65 and the
> weather
> out side is so that your system doesn't come on at all
while you are at
> work.
> Now you get home at 5-30 and immediately run to the
thermostat and set it
> back to 70.  You were gone for nine hours so your heat
didn't run for two
> hours and 15 minutes while you were gone.  Try my scenario
and see how
> long
> it takes your heat system to bring the temperature up five degrease.
> depending on your house size, I think you will find it is
better to set it
> and for get it.  My house is about 3000 square feet and it
would take our
> heat pump system about four hours to obtain the 70 degrease in my
> scenario.
> A smaller house would take less than the 15 minutes a hour
to maintain
> your
> setting and less than the four hours in my case but you get
the picture.
> Yes chip, by all means I expect to hear your findings.  One
thing I have
> recently done to attempt to reduce my electric bill is to
purchase two
> electric  oil filled radiators and put one up stairs which
is where the
> thermostat is located and one in the kitchen which is on
the mid level of
> our house.  Last night was the first time we tried this and
the heat pump
> didn't come on all night long.  I set the thermostat to 68
degrease and
> the
> temperature never dropped below 70 degrease.  The electric
heaters are
> designed to be a supplement to your main unit and should
reduce your
> heating
> cost.  The heaters are suppose to use less than a blow
dryer.  The office
> which is the lowest level was cooler but in the past it was
usually the
> warmest place in the house since the system blower is on
that level.  It
> will be interesting to see how the electric bill fairs.
Our utilities
> bills
> run between 420 and 780 a month,  now you know why I feel
the way I do
> about
> utilities bills.
>
> Now for the issue of mole,  I have never heard of a house
getting mole
> because the air was turned off for 3 days, in fact I have
left a rental
> property closed up for 7 or 8 months with no problems.
Unless there is a
> major dampness problem, I wouldn't worry about that.
>
> Robert
>    ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:43 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>
>
>> you remind me of Joe Plumber there Robert; assuming
government is always
>> out
>> to "screw the citizens"!
>>
>> First, they don't want to build a power plant because it's very
>> expensive,
>> and they'd have to borrow the money, thus making your
electric rates go
>> up
>> even further.  Next, they don't want to build one because
no one wants a
>> power plant anywhere near them.  and finally, they have
some of the
>> higher
>> electric rates, because they have some of the lowest
income from property
>> taxes, because they aren't allowed to tax state buildings
at all; so
>> there's
>> all that prime business property going untaxed, and yet you expect
>> dial-a-ride, and road repairs, and audible signals, and
everything else
>> that
>> the city needs to provide.  in short, they have to get money from
>> somewhere.
>>
>> As for not turning your a/c down, that's just plain wrong,
and is another
>> urban myth.  you can call the city engineers, or the PSC
engineers, and
>> they
>> will confirm that there's no such thing as "your system uses more
>> electricity because it has to work harder, so you actually use more
>> electricity by using less".  sorry, just do some research
on the internet
>> if
>> you don't want to call and you'll find some decent
electrical engineers
>> who
>> will tell you this isn't so.  Now, don't turn your system
off unless your
>> gone 3 days, that's got a grain of truth to it; but the
truth is don't
>> ever
>> turn it off, just up high enough so you'll use less, but
not so high that
>> your house might start growing mold or mildew.  that's the
only problem
>> with
>> turning it off; you'll get green stuff growing.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Easy Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:15 AM
>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>
>> My guess is after the pilot program, the city will decide
if they are
>> going
>> to make the change or not and if they make the change we
most likely
>> won't
>> have a choice.  My question is how can they tell what time
we are using
>> the
>> electricity. Basically the time is in two 12 hour slots so
if 1 of the
>> twelve hour slots goes up 8 cents and the other goes down
four if you
>> don't
>> change your habits then it don't look to good as far as
the math goes.
>> In
>> the winter nights are much colder but in the summer the
days are much
>> hotter.  Every air condition person I have ever talked to
says the most
>> efficient way to use your air condition is to set it to a
comfortable
>> level
>> and leave it because if you raise the temperature while
you are at work
>> and
>> then lower it when you come home, the system has to work
harder to reduce
>> the temperature.  They also say not to turn it off unless
you are going
>> to
>> be away for 3 days or more.
>> I don't think people will change there habits in usage.  Commercial
>> business
>> will really get the shaft and this change could affect
whether a business
>> would choose to locate in Tallahassee or not.  The last I knew,
>> Tallahassee
>> already has the highest electric rates in the state of
Florida.  As the
>> population grows in the future the city will have to build
more power
>> plants
>> so why not bite the bullet and quit screwing the citizens.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:39 PM
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>
>>
>>> Well this is ok if you choose to do this and can switch
back to your old
>>> plan or way if you want to but don't know if they would
let you do this
>>> and
>>> also would they start charging outrageous price to switch
to discourage
>>> you
>>> from doing the switch thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> sign,
>>> Joe Plummer (JP)
>>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Allison and Chip Orange
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>>
>>> well, this is an instance where everyone benefits
(working at the PSC,
>>> this
>>> is something I'm familiar with).
>>>
>>> The city doesn't have to pay to build a new power plant,
if they can get
>>> enough people to switch over to this new plan.  people get their
>>> electricity
>>> at two thirds of the current price if they switch over to
the new plan.
>>>
>>> As far as I know of, the few problem meters have been
replaced with
>>> working
>>> ones; so this is something where everyone gets some of the money.
>>>
>>> now, there's one way someone not paying attention can
lose money: if you
>>> switched to the new plan, the electricity you use during
day-time hours
>>> is
>>> much more expensive than if you had not changed plans;
so, if you sign
>>> up
>>> to
>>> switch plans, and then you don't change your usage
patterns, you'll end
>>> up
>>> with a higher electric bill.
>>>
>>> If I recall, the city said 70% of people, if they signed
up for the new
>>> plan, but made no change in their usage patterns, would
end up with the
>>> same
>>> bill they have now (I think).  This was to indicate you
wouldn't have to
>>> change much to start saving money.
>>>
>>> So, if you are looking to save every dime, I'd look into switching
>>> (unless
>>> you have gas heat and gas hot water, in which case it
won't make much
>>> difference).
>>>
>>>  if you want it when you want it (that is, you aren't
willing to wait
>>> till
>>> night to do your wash; take your shower, etc.), then
don't switch, and
>>> keep
>>> things as they are.
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Easy Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 6:35 PM
>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>>
>>> Well the whole idea was to cut out the meter reader so
just putting it
>>> on
>>> the electric only, wouldn't get the job done.  The city
saves, you pay
>>> the
>>> same just like the Nova 2010 scam.
>>> You know the four pounds of sugar at the five pound price
deal.  Most
>>> likely
>>> the new electric plan will mostly benefit the city or
they wouldn't be
>>> doing
>>> it, that's why they are doing the pilot testing to see
how much they
>>> would
>>> make.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 5:57 PM
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>>
>>>
>>>> sorry to hear about that; but I do know they have the
standard manual
>>>> display still on them as a backup in cases like yours.
I had no idea
>>>> though they were doing this with water meters, I only
got a notice
>>>> from the city about my electric meter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of Easy Talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 4:49 PM
>>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>>>
>>>> As far as smart meters being correct, I'll have to
disagree with this
>>>> since when one was installed on my rental property which
was vacant
>>>> and the water was turned off at the street, I got a
water bill for
>>>> $1,800.00 and I didn't make a typo in the amount.  After
fussing with
>>>> the utility department for
>>>> 3
>>>> months, I finally had to call the mayors office to get
it sorted out.
>>>> They
>>>> couldn't understand why the visual reading was different
than what was
>>>> being sent to the computer so I suggest you get a
sighted person to
>>>> check your meter reading and compare it to your billed
amount.  In my
>>>> case it deffentantly was noticeable but if the
difference is slight
>>>> you might be getting screwed.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 4:52 PM
>>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can only say you've really got just about everything
screwed up in
>>>>> this reply of yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> first, yes, you can opt out at any time; that question,
and all the
>>>>> others you say aren't answered, are indeed answered on
the web site
>>>>> provided in the original email.  This question was
actually answered
>>>>> in the email, since I copied some of the questions from
the site into
>>>>> the first email.
>>>>>
>>>>> next, nobody said anything about just having a smart meter would
>>>>> lower your bill.  that wasn't claimed, because they are
a standard
>>>>> electric meter in every way, except that they can be
read remotely
>>>>> over the internet.  they do not give false readings,
and they have
>>>>> not caused anyone's bill to go up unjustly.  there has been no
>>>>> misreading by city workers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's possible if you go on this plan for you to
have a higher
>>>>> bill (if you use all your electricity during the peak
daytime hours);
>>>>> you do have to read and understand it before doing
something like
>>>>> signing up, or shooting off a reply full of misinformation.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, having residential customers switch their usage
patterns because
>>>>> of this program will not change the peak load times;
that's because
>>>>> peak load is largely a function of commercial use (that's why
>>>>> holidays are given to you at the cheaper rate, just
like night time
>>>>> usage).
>>>>>
>>>>> The city does provide all of these answers on their web
site, and
>>>>> time of day pricing for electricity is something which
has been in
>>>>> common use across the country for 20 years I'd guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> this is a way for people who have very limited amounts
of money to
>>>>> save a little more; you should not try and stop them
from doing so by
>>>>> spouting a lot of conspiracy theory, or anti-government rhetoric
>>>>> which isn't backed up with any facts.  It's also a very
>>>>> environmentally friendly thing to do, as it keeps us
from having to
>>>>> build new power plants.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chip
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Joe Plummer
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 4:24 PM
>>>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I heard about this from the Morning show on WFLA FM . The
>>>>> problem is with this is like the smart meters what if
it really ended
>>>>> up with a higher cost to you and two if you decided you
did not like
>>>>> it or it did not fit your needs could you opt out of it. These
>>>>> questions have not yet been answer. Also would if
enough people got
>>>>> on this ban wagon wouldn't it change the peek time?
This then would
>>>>> throw you in a higher electric plan.
>>>>> Also the question is if your house or rental is not
energy efficient
>>>>> how would this effect your cost with these smart
thermostat. So lots
>>>>> of questions and so far no answers from the city and lots more
>>>>> question that have not been listed here that has not
been answered
>>>>> yet. Don't forget the smart meter was supposed to lower people
>>>>> electric bill and did exactly the opsit. No one has gave a good
>>>>> reason why this has happen. The best answer they came
up with here is
>>>>> that the meter readers was not reading the meters
right. Now you are
>>>>> saying that the city employed meter readers that could
not read and
>>>>> write ? I don't think so I think the smart meters is
just not working
>>>>> right but guess what you can't do anything about it but
pay the bill.
>>>>> So in my opinion is to be careful what you sign up for.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sign,
>>>>> JP ( Joe Plummer)
>>>>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Allison and Chip Orange
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 2:58 PM
>>>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [tabi] new electricity pricing plan (optional)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> below is info on the new optional electricity pricing
plan.  instead
>>>>> of a single price, you can switch to a plan which
prices it based on
>>>>> the time of day when you  use the power.
>>>>>
>>>>> To go with this, you can purchase thermostats which
automatically
>>>>> change their temp settings based on the time of day, along with
>>>>> electric hot water timers which do the same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chip
>>>>>
>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The City Commission approved the first optional rate plan at its
>>>>> October 27, 2010 meeting. This new offering is known as
the Nights &
>>>>> Weekends Pricing Program. As a new Energy Smart Plus program, it
>>>>> offers customers an alternative rate option with a
lower price on
>>>>> electricity used during nights
>>>>> (7 p.m. - 7 a.m.), weekends and holidays at 7.921 cents
/ kWh and a
>>>>> higher rate during weekdays (7 a.m. - 7 p.m.) at 22.264
cents / kWh.
>>>>> The program is open to 2,000 City of Tallahassee
Electric customers
>>>>> as a pilot from November 1, 2010 through April 30, 2012.
>>>>>
>>>>> More info at: http://www.talgov.com/you/energy/nw.cfm
>>>>> Frequently Asked Questions and Answers from that site
are copied
>>>>> below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q: What are the rates associated with Nights & Weekends?
>>>>> A: Currently, our electricity is at 12.158 cents / kWh
all day, every
>>>>> day.
>>>>> The new plan will be split between Daytime @ 22.264
cents / kWh and
>>>>> Nights
>>>>
>>>>> &
>>>>> Weekends @ 7.921 cents / kWh. State holidays are also
at the Nights &
>>>>> Weekends rate of 7.921 cents / kWh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q: Can I stop the program at any time?
>>>>> A: Yes, but if you return to the program, we will ask
you to stay for
>>>>> a minimum of one year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q: If I leave the program will I be able to re-enroll?
>>>>> A: Yes, as long as there are available spots in the program; and
>>>>> you'll be required to remain on the plan for at least a
full year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q: When does this program start?
>>>>> A: Customers can start signing up on November 1, 2010.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q: How can I sign up?
>>>>> A: Call 891.4YOU (4968) or fill out a Customer Request
Form for more
>>>>> information or to sign up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> and please make suggestions for new material.
>
>
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Check out the TABI resource web page at
http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI
and please make suggestions for new material.



if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the
freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the
address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word
"unsubscribe" in the subject.

Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI
and please make suggestions for new material.



if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.

Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI
and please make suggestions for new material.



if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by 
sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word 
"unsubscribe" in the subject.

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