[tabi] Re: more on the party bus

  • From: "Daniel Ben Moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:09:16 -0400

very nice right on the money....:-)


From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Chip and Allie Orange
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 6:36 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: more on the party bus

I certainly want to emphasize one of Robert's points which I agree with:
this party bus isn't taking people home; but it is running between bars, and
thus by implication encouraging drinking (probably giving those doing the
drinking a false sense of security that they don't have to worry: they're
riding public transit after all!)


However, it's not taking them home, it's only taking them back to their
cars, where they will do what? Obviously drive home, (and encouraged to do
so by the city), probably inebriated!  I wonder if the city has considered
its legal liability in doing this?


I appreciate Mr. Waterman's giving us the exact financial facts, but not
only is this something which looks to be entirely funded by public dollars,
but it appears to be an idea which would actually encourage DUI activity,
while appearing to actually do the opposite.  This is looking more and more
like a very poorly thought-out idea.




From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Easy Talk
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 12:10 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: more on the party bus


    Mr. Waterman, this has to be the most rediculus thing I have ever heard
of and just shows how unimportant quality public transportation for
disabled citizens is to the city.  How can the city pour in money for a
party bus when disabled citizens aren't able to use the fixed route system
because we can't find the bus stops or don't fill safe using the current
system.  Because of this approximately 100 additional disabled people are
now forced to use Dial A Ride and since the city has not made appropriate
financial funding to meet the increased demands, not only is the fixed route
unusable but Dial A Ride is no longer reliable so basically the disabled
community is with out reliable transportation, but some how can find money
to make rich business owners happy.  Just because you say the city is
looking to get some funding from local businessmen doesn't mean that will
happen and if implemented, most likely the city will end up footing the


I am also curious if Star Metro has considered the impact the federal guide
lines will have on the party bus.  If it is part of the fixed route, then
the city would be required to also provide Para transit service in the same
area and 3/4th of a mile beyond the service area. Was that considered and is
it factored in to the projected cost.


If the party bus runs in the areas you described, How are people going to
get from the start and end points when the fixed route system stops.  Are
you just going to put out the drunks to get hit by vehicles.  Moving them
out of the down town area doesn't solve the problem.


If local businessmen want to provide transportation to there bars, then let
them form there own trally company and leave my tax dollars to  fix a
already broken system.  They could call the new business Puke line transit.


I certainly will make my concerns known to all the city commissioners and
hope others do as well.







----- Original Message ----- 

From: Waterman, Brian <mailto:Brian.Waterman@xxxxxxxxxx>  

To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:14 AM

Subject: [tabi] Re: more on the party bus


Just to address some of the funding concerns. StarMetro is looking at
operating this route in 2 Phases. The first phase (2 vehicles, 20 minute
frequency, endpoints: Woodward & Gaines and 6th Avenue & Monroe) is
approximately $120,000/yr. to operate. If Phase 1 is successful and after we
get new vehicles (Spring 2014), we would start Phase 2 (3 vehicles, 15
minute frequency, endpoints: Woodward & Gaines and Betton & Thomasville) at
an annual cost of $190,000. We are looking to split these costs with other


From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Chip and Allie Orange
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:24 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] more on the party bus


In today's Democrat an article on the party-bus says the figure given
previously for its cost of operation was only for the remainder of this
year; actually, it is going to cost $190,000 per year to operate.  I really
hope those of you who are city residents will contact your commissioners and
protest the use of public money for a free party bus while our current
system is described by the commissioners as inadequate, and acknowledged
that it lacks covered shelters (or even benches) at most bus stops!




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