Several people on this list have gone to three or more of the meetings that Star Metro has had around town. None of us have been quiet at these meetings. Kevin has summarized our thoughts and taken it before the committee. That is not being quiet.
You are going to end up with no pie if you don't compromise. Star Metro is working with traffic engineers on the 39 transfer points. That is something right there.
This is what is going on now in Washington with the party of no.----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel ben moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea quite frankly i have had it with compramise. we have been told all of our lives to be quiet, or to be nice or we will not get what we wa nt. The huge problem is that we as blind people have a long history of doing what we arebeing asked to do. and what has it gotten us? For years we have comprimised, and been understanding, and they still look past us as a coumunity. I think it
time we make them see us. while we are nice, and quiet, other groups arebeingn heard. We had better get our pie before it's gone. On Sun, 31 Jan 2010
20:19:36 -0500, Joe Plummer wrote:
Yes, this is true. So here is what you are saying in short. Let it pass and go on into plan and then on their promise they will go back at some pointand look at the concerns and maybe amend the plan? Well this is nice but youare putting a lot of faith in a politician . I my self would not trust thisfrom my experience. In my experience what you leave with is what you got andend up with. Just more thoughts. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message-----From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On BehalfOf Lynn Evans Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:50 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea I am looking from the perspective of taking what we have or are being offered and build from that. compromise, a rare and sometimes forgotten art There are some parts of the NOVA 2010 plan I like. I did like the extended nighttime and Sunday hours. My understanding now is that is off the table. If the plan can get me from my crib to my destination way less than an hour that would be a plus. Walking out to the street to get a bus I Can do but it still would be a minus. Getting to the two malls through the parking lot a minus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:09 AM Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall ideaI agree and like I say if you don't like the way it is currently going to be, then you don't like the plan! What you like is amended plan. Which is in this case a better plan. More of my thoughts. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lynn Evans Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:37 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea What makes me a little nervous is the city saying they will make the changes to the 39 transfer points then to be able to come through for whatever reason. The city is not ready for a grid route system that is unsafe. First make it safe then implement the plan. I still don't like the idea of walking through the parking lot to get to the mall. I do it on the Monroe street side of Tallahassee Mall. I still want to see some, time schedules to see if it is really any quicker to get from one place to the other. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall ideaOk, you are either happy with the way it is going to be or your not? When you are talking about altering the way it is going to be then this is not in favor of the change. What you are saying you are in favor of change with amendments to the change there forth changing the system the way it is implement to be. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allison and Chip Orange Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:06 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea Just so I'm clear: I'm in favor of the change, I just want them to make the transfer points safer (chirpers don't do it), and go into the malls or other complexes where folks would otherwise have to walk unsafely to the stop. Chip -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lynn Evans Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:02 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea The bus system is ok with me also. I am not saying it can't be improved. In order to make things better there must be change. It would seem to me people do not like change. It takes me about an hour to get from my apartment to the Lighthouse on Cedar Center cort. I have not yet seen any time table for the NOVA 2010 plan so I would have a compairson.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall ideaHmm, this is the first I have heard anyone on this list say they were happy with the bus program. Sounds like you are the minority of the minority. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of blindwilly Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 12:14 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea Kevin, I am very happy with the boards decision. Although I was not at the meeting last night, I have been working hard on getting this change to happen. Sally and myself too have had a difference of opinion of some of our friends, but all and all I think it is a good thing and will make getting across town so much easier. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 3:12 AM Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall ideaNo, don't hate you but disappointed yes. You knew the concerns of the minority which is in this case is the (Blind community) and you did not stand up and represent us by voting NO! You know there is a saying, Don't forget the little man! We don't ask for much just a bone with some meat left on it every once in awhile! Some times you do what is right not what every one else wants you to do. The Right thing to do this case was to vote NO! Again don't hate you but very disappointed in you. Yes by the way I say if we can get just Saturday this is a start. But by know means the end. Just more of my thoughts. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of daviska9 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:18 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea I'm sorry for being so touchy. Too many things in my life have made me a bit too sensitive. Look, you all should know that the measure passed the TAC unanimously. I know that some of you were hoping I would vote no, and those people probably hate me and will never talk to me again. As those present at the meeting can tell you, I have been asking tough questions. Well, believe it or not, I got some good responses. StarMetro went out and got the city engineers involved, and tonight we, the TAC, were told that the majority of the safety features would be brought on line before the NOVA 2010 plan comes on line. Even to the extent that 15 to 18 of the audible signals will be set up. Also, I brought up putting "NO RIGHT ON RED" designations at all of the transfer points. No solid answer there, but they did say they would look into what they could do. I can say this much for the NOVA 2010 process, that a year ago I don't think the city engineers would have been as open to working with mass transit as they are today. This process has got more people working together than ever before. Finally, I am very concerned that if we do not start making some changes, even the unpopular ones, towards decentralizing the bus system, that we will be left with a bus system in a few years that serves the students and not much else. What I don't want to do, is stop here. Mr. Garrison said to me, after being asked, that this is not an end to the changes, but a beginning. Your comments that Bruce Weaver and I took to the TAC and StarMetro, fueled the process of getting the city engineers involved. Now, keep the pressure on to continue to improve safety at all intersections. Maybe we can beat the Dangerous by design label Tallahassee has been stamped with, but we have a long way to go. Do not give up on me, I am trying the best I know, to not give up on you. Kevin Davis By the way, I found out that the implementation may be delayed yet even longer than December of this year by as much as three to eightmonths.________________________________ From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sila Miller Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:13 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Saturday Mall idea Sorry if we were vicious, Kevin. Lets not stop thinking outside the box. I just don't want us to be limited. Say hello to Laurie and the kids. Sila ----- Original Message ----- From: daviska9 <mailto:daviska9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:44 AM Subject: [tabi] Saturday Mall idea So much for me trying to think out of the box. Sorry to have troubled you. 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