Joe, I'm not a dog owner, but, as Robert says, Their rights are their rights case closed. Just the fact! I'm on their side.----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:32 AM Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
Well , I know this according to the law I have read. But I will disagree with you on which has access it is the service dog. You have the right toaccess with or with out the dog. So the law is stating if you have a service animal the place of establishment is not allowed to charge a deposit for theservice animal. They would allow you to stay with out the animal. It's all about the animal and the service they provide, Not about you as a person. The only thing that matters about you in relation to the animal is do you have a handicap or disability that requires this service animal. But here again in my thoughts I think the place of establishment should be able tocharge a deposit just like our counter parts would have to pay. People without the handicap or disability. Just my thoughts. Sign, Joe Plummer ( JP ) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message-----From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On BehalfOf Darla J. Rogers Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:37 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs Well, Joe; it isn't the dog that has the access right. It is theindividual, but no public place of accommodation can charge a deposit. Theycan, however, charge for actual damages. I'm 55 and have been a dog guide user for 35 of those years. Darla Darla J. Rogers, B.A. Social Science; M.S. Rehabilitation Counselor Education djrogers0628@xxxxxxxxxxx Home phone #: 850-329-7437 Cell #: 850-443-3571 Skype ID: wildflower0628 I suited up for the long walk back to myself... ....Ani DiFranco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:21 AM Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogsWell , just going by the emails, Not saying no one for sure does or does not. Yes if you feel you have been done wrong you should take it to court that is what the court system is for. I did not say you were not a good dog owner or handler, or any one else on this list. I too is a dog service ownerand yes my dog sheds hair real bad. She is a Sheppard from Fidelco dogs. I love her to death and she goes to the beauty parlor at Petco at least oncea month and sometimes more. I also have two other dogs that are not service dogs. There is nothing you can hardly tell me about a domesticated animal as I have live on a farm all my life and I am 52 years of age. I have not been blind all my life a matter fact I have been blind only about 6 years and legal blind about 10 years. So most of my life I have been a seeing person.Now my opinion on the Motel and Hotel business my self and this is just mythoughts I don't see nothing wrong with making us do the same as our counter parts ( seeing people) do and put up a damage deposit . Yes in my opinion Ithink and we do should have the right to have our dogs with us most of thetime. Especially in a public place. Sign, Joe Plummer ( JP ) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darla J. Rogers Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:40 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs Dear Joe, Can you tell me--and tell me how you know some of us don't respect our fellow man? You and I have never met; you know little about me, but I'm a damn good dog handler expects my dogs to adhere to a high code of behavior, and I get it, too, and she was just in the home of friends for the past couple of weeks and she caused no damage whatsoever. Robert's right: If I am unfairly assessed penalties, I'm going to litigate that case/ Dogs do not, as some believe, shed as much as people think, etc. Darla Darla J. Rogers, B.A. Social Science; M.S. Rehabilitation Counselor Education djrogers0628@xxxxxxxxxxx Home phone #: 850-329-7437 Cell #: 850-443-3571 Skype ID: wildflower0628 I suited up for the long walk back to myself... ....Ani DiFranco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Easy Talk" <easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogsIt's apparent you have never had a guide dog and from the sound of it youdon't like dogs but I would think you have the ability to smell piss and shit and hopefully you haven't lost all the feelings in your hands. Guidedog users should always be aware of what there dogs are doing and know there bad habits. With an attitude like yours I certainly see why the Florida Legislature has the attitudes they have about blind people. Robert----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:18 AM Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogsLet me ask you how you know how much hair was left behind, what did your male dog pee on , what he or she or what ever the animal kind or type ofor whatever chewed on. You don't because you can't see. I don't think I taking a right away you don't have this to start with. Yes the right to have the animal and to have it with you . But not to put up a deposit no that is not aright. Use common since people. This would be like taking your dog oranimal in a restaurant and going up to the buffet with him. I think thisis not respecting other people and not having a animal with all that hair and his nose wondering about. Common since is not to do this. Ask the waitress to help you get your plate and take it back to the table. You all need to have respect for others. How are you going to get respect if you don't give it. I am a service dog owner also but I respect my fellow man and don't want to be treated special. I just want to be treated as normal as possible witch is hard to do given my handicap. This is just my thoughts and you are welcome for me doing this. Smile! LOL! Sign, Joe Plummer ( JP ) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darla J. Rogers Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:24 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogsThanks for helping to take away our rights as service animal users, Joe;maybe you can afford to pay for supercilious charges; send me your address, so I can send the bill to you while I'm filing a lawsuit abridging my rights to stay in a public accommodation with my service animal and not be chargedfor "extra cleaning" which should not need to be done unless the dog hashad an accident. Darla Darla J. Rogers, B.A. Social Science; M.S. Rehabilitation Counselor Education djrogers0628@xxxxxxxxxxx Home phone #: 850-329-7437 Cell #: 850-443-3571 Skype ID: wildflower0628 I suited up for the long walk back to myself... ....Ani DiFranco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 4:10 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogsWell, that might be the policy of that place. But different places willhave different policies. I dis agree I don't think he has a case. They did not refuse him to let his dog stay They just charge a service charge for the dognot because he was taking up a space but for more than likely the extra cleanup and inconvenient they had. This is my thoughts. Oh by the way Ihave a service dog also. I myself would not think anything about the extra money if they told me it will cost extra and the amount. Again my thoughts. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplummer@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daniel Ben Moshe Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:43 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs I use to work at the Marriott, and the polocy was exactly that. They can't charge you for your service animal, unless something happens. If they are doing this, you may have a case to make an issue. To me that is extortion, because this is tarting to happen in even cabs. In the miami aria, and even in some eating astablishments. I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant, Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe, Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org Choose ye this day whom you will serve. If Yahweh be Elohim, then serve him, with all of your hart. However, if bail be your master. Then serve him. As for me, and my house. We choose, to serve Yahweh!The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when i was a small child. About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail. He said that Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, because theyhad a much larger program. He said that they had 450 participants, and he only had one. Elijah, also reminded them, that they had to drag their god up the mountain side on an ox cart. the man of yahweh, also said, that his Elohim would be there when he arrived. He said mockingly,you go on ahead. Heck,I will even let you call your god first. I'M going to take a nap, and when you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your best shot. Bishop Joe O Patterson A blessed memory 1963-1989 -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lighthouse of the Big Bend Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:35 PM To: tabi Cc: fcb-l Subject: [tabi] Question & answer about motel and service dogs Thought some folks might find this interesting... although many may already know it : ) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Question & answer about motel and service dogsA friend of mine who does training at Hilton Hotels tells me that it isillegal to charge extra for a service dog staying in a hotel? I have been charged extra for my dog as we travel at motels by about 15 dollars a roomfor the dog. There is no problem with getting her in the room - but myfriend said that they can only charge if the dog does something in the room then that is fine. Their policy for pets staying in the room is $15 a night extra. This was new to me and I told her I could not recall reading anything about this under title II. Could you clarify this for me? Thanks ..... Answer: Hotels are covered by title III, not title II. (Places of public accommodation - title III vs. programs and services of state or local governments (title II). The issue you raise concerns an unlawful surcharge. See http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm , question 7: 7. Q: Can I charge a maintenance or cleaning fee for customers who bring service animals into my business? A: No. Neither a deposit nor a surcharge may be imposed on an individual with a disability as a condition to allowing a service animal to accompany the individual with a disability, even if deposits are routinely requiredfor pets. However, a public accommodation may charge its customers withdisabilities if a service animal causes damage so long as it is the regular practice of the entity to charge non-disabled customers for the same types of damages. For example, a hotel can charge a guest with a disability forthe cost of repairing or cleaning furniture damaged by a service animalif it is the hotel's policy to charge when non-disabled guests cause such damage. Marc Dubin, Esq. Director of Advocacy Center for Independent Living of South Florida www.ADAadvocacyBlog.org mdubin@xxxxxxxxx 305-896-3000 mobile fax: 877-731-3030 www.cavnet.org EIN: 52-2117529 Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI and please make suggestions for new material. if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject. 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