[tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
- From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 02:32:11 -0400
Well , I know this according to the law I have read. But I will disagree
with you on which has access it is the service dog. You have the right to
access with or with out the dog. So the law is stating if you have a service
animal the place of establishment is not allowed to charge a deposit for the
service animal. They would allow you to stay with out the animal. It's all
about the animal and the service they provide, Not about you as a person.
The only thing that matters about you in relation to the animal is do you
have a handicap or disability that requires this service animal. But here
again in my thoughts I think the place of establishment should be able to
charge a deposit just like our counter parts would have to pay. People with
out the handicap or disability. Just my thoughts.
Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplummer@xxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Darla J. Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:37 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
Well, Joe; it isn't the dog that has the access right. It is the
individual, but no public place of accommodation can charge a deposit. They
can, however, charge for actual damages. I'm 55 and have been a dog guide
user for 35 of those years.
Darla
Darla J. Rogers, B.A. Social Science; M.S. Rehabilitation Counselor
Education
djrogers0628@xxxxxxxxxxx
Home phone #: 850-329-7437
Cell #: 850-443-3571
Skype ID: wildflower0628
I suited up for the long walk back to myself...
....Ani DiFranco
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:21 AM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
> Well , just going by the emails, Not saying no one for sure does or does
> not. Yes if you feel you have been done wrong you should take it to court
> that is what the court system is for. I did not say you were not a good
> dog
> owner or handler, or any one else on this list. I too is a dog service
> owner
> and yes my dog sheds hair real bad. She is a Sheppard from Fidelco dogs. I
> love her to death and she goes to the beauty parlor at Petco at least once
> a
> month and sometimes more. I also have two other dogs that are not service
> dogs. There is nothing you can hardly tell me about a domesticated animal
> as
> I have live on a farm all my life and I am 52 years of age. I have not
> been
> blind all my life a matter fact I have been blind only about 6 years and
> legal blind about 10 years. So most of my life I have been a seeing
> person.
> Now my opinion on the Motel and Hotel business my self and this is just my
> thoughts I don't see nothing wrong with making us do the same as our
> counter
> parts ( seeing people) do and put up a damage deposit . Yes in my opinion
> I
> think and we do should have the right to have our dogs with us most of the
> time. Especially in a public place.
>
>
>
> Sign,
> Joe Plummer ( JP )
> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Darla J. Rogers
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:40 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>
> Dear Joe,
>
> Can you tell me--and tell me how you know some of us don't respect our
> fellow man?
>
> You and I have never met; you know little about me, but I'm a damn good
> dog
> handler expects my dogs to adhere to a high code of behavior, and I get
> it,
> too, and she was just in the home of friends for the past couple of weeks
> and she caused no damage whatsoever.
>
> Robert's right: If I am unfairly assessed penalties, I'm going to
> litigate
> that case/ Dogs do not, as some believe, shed as much as people think,
> etc.
>
> Darla
>
>
> Darla J. Rogers, B.A. Social Science; M.S. Rehabilitation Counselor
> Education
>
> djrogers0628@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Home phone #: 850-329-7437
> Cell #: 850-443-3571
>
> Skype ID: wildflower0628
> I suited up for the long walk back to myself...
> ....Ani DiFranco
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Easy Talk" <easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:15 PM
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>
>
>> It's apparent you have never had a guide dog and from the sound of it you
>> don't like dogs but I would think you have the ability to smell piss and
>> shit and hopefully you haven't lost all the feelings in your hands.
>> Guide
>
>> dog users should always be aware of what there dogs are doing and know
>> there bad habits. With an attitude like yours I certainly see why the
>> Florida Legislature has the attitudes they have about blind people.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:18 AM
>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>
>>
>>> Let me ask you how you know how much hair was left behind, what did your
>>> male dog pee on , what he or she or what ever the animal kind or type of
>>> or
>>> whatever chewed on. You don't because you can't see. I don't think I
>>> taking
>>> a right away you don't have this to start with. Yes the right to have
>>> the
>>> animal and to have it with you . But not to put up a deposit no that is
>>> not
>>> aright. Use common since people. This would be like taking your dog or
>>> animal in a restaurant and going up to the buffet with him. I think this
>>> is
>>> not respecting other people and not having a animal with all that hair
>>> and
>>> his nose wondering about. Common since is not to do this. Ask the
>>> waitress
>>> to help you get your plate and take it back to the table. You all need
>>> to
>>> have respect for others. How are you going to get respect if you don't
>>> give
>>> it. I am a service dog owner also but I respect my fellow man and don't
>>> want
>>> to be treated special. I just want to be treated as normal as possible
>>> witch
>>> is hard to do given my handicap. This is just my thoughts and you are
>>> welcome for me doing this. Smile! LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sign,
>>> Joe Plummer ( JP )
>>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Darla J. Rogers
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:24 PM
>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping to take away our rights as service animal users, Joe;
>>> maybe you can afford to pay for supercilious charges; send me your
>>> address,
>>> so I can send the bill to you while I'm filing a lawsuit abridging my
>>> rights
>>> to stay in a public accommodation with my service animal and not be
>>> charged
>>> for "extra cleaning" which should not need to be done unless the dog has
>>> had
>>> an accident.
>>>
>>> Darla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Darla J. Rogers, B.A. Social Science; M.S. Rehabilitation Counselor
>>> Education
>>>
>>> djrogers0628@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Home phone #: 850-329-7437
>>> Cell #: 850-443-3571
>>>
>>> Skype ID: wildflower0628
>>> I suited up for the long walk back to myself...
>>> ....Ani DiFranco
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Plummer" <joeplummer@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 4:10 PM
>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, that might be the policy of that place. But different places will
>>>> have
>>>> different policies. I dis agree I don't think he has a case. They did
>>>> not
>>>> refuse him to let his dog stay They just charge a service charge for
>>>> the
>>>> dog
>>>> not because he was taking up a space but for more than likely the extra
>>>> cleanup and inconvenient they had. This is my thoughts. Oh by the way I
>>>> have
>>>> a service dog also. I myself would not think anything about the extra
>>>> money
>>>> if they told me it will cost extra and the amount. Again my thoughts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sign,
>>>> JP ( Joe Plummer)
>>>> joeplummer@xxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Daniel Ben Moshe
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:43 PM
>>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>>>
>>>> I use to work at the Marriott, and the polocy was exactly that. They
>>>> can't
>>>> charge you for your service animal, unless something happens. If they
>>>> are
>>>> doing this, you may have a case to make an issue. To me that is
>>>> extortion,
>>>> because this is tarting to happen in even cabs. In the miami aria, and
>>>> even
>>>> in some eating astablishments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant,
>>>>
>>>> Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe,
>>>> Benai Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County,
>>>> www.theblindcansee.org
>>>> Choose ye this day whom you will serve. If Yahweh be Elohim, then
>>>> serve
>>>> him, with all of your hart. However, if bail be your master. Then
>>>> serve
>>>> him. As for me, and my house. We choose, to serve Yahweh!
>>>>
>>>> The late Bishop Joe Patterson told a story long ago, when i was a small
>>>> child. About Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of bail. He said that
>>>> Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead, because they
>>>> had
>>>> a much larger program. He said that they had 450 participants, and he
>>>> only
>>>> had one. Elijah, also reminded them, that they had to drag their god
>>>> up
>>>> the
>>>> mountain side on an ox cart. the man of yahweh, also said, that his
>>>> Elohim
>>>> would be there when he arrived. He said mockingly,you go on ahead.
>>>> Heck,
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> will even let you call your god first. I'M going to take a nap, and
>>>> when
>>>> you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up. Go ahead now, take your
>>>> best
>>>> shot.
>>>> Bishop Joe O Patterson
>>>> A blessed memory
>>>> 1963-1989
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Lighthouse of the Big Bend
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:35 PM
>>>> To: tabi
>>>> Cc: fcb-l
>>>> Subject: [tabi] Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>>>
>>>> Thought some folks might find this interesting... although many may
>>>> already
>>>> know it : )
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> Subject: Question & answer about motel and service dogs
>>>>
>>>> A friend of mine who does training at Hilton Hotels tells me that it is
>>>> illegal to charge extra for a service dog staying in a hotel? I have
>>>> been
>>>> charged extra for my dog as we travel at motels by about 15 dollars a
>>>> room
>>>> for the dog. There is no problem with getting her in the room - but my
>>>> friend said that they can only charge if the dog does something in the
>>>> room
>>>> then that is fine. Their policy for pets staying in the room is $15 a
>>>> night
>>>> extra. This was new to me and I told her I could not recall reading
>>>> anything about this under title II.
>>>>
>>>> Could you clarify this for me?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> .....
>>>>
>>>> Answer:
>>>> Hotels are covered by title III, not title II. (Places of public
>>>> accommodation - title III vs. programs and services of state or local
>>>> governments (title II).
>>>>
>>>> The issue you raise concerns an unlawful surcharge.
>>>>
>>>> See http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm , question 7:
>>>>
>>>> 7. Q: Can I charge a maintenance or cleaning fee for customers who
>>>> bring
>>>> service animals into my business?
>>>>
>>>> A: No. Neither a deposit nor a surcharge may be imposed on an
>>>> individual
>>>> with a disability as a condition to allowing a service animal to
>>>> accompany
>>>> the individual with a disability, even if deposits are routinely
>>>> required
>>>> for pets. However, a public accommodation may charge its customers with
>>>> disabilities if a service animal causes damage so long as it is the
>>>> regular
>>>> practice of the entity to charge non-disabled customers for the same
>>>> types
>>>> of damages. For example, a hotel can charge a guest with a disability
>>>> for
>>>> the cost of repairing or cleaning furniture damaged by a service animal
>>>> if
>>>> it is the hotel's policy to charge when non-disabled guests cause such
>>>> damage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marc Dubin, Esq.
>>>> Director of Advocacy
>>>> Center for Independent Living of South Florida www.ADAadvocacyBlog.org
>>>> mdubin@xxxxxxxxx 305-896-3000 mobile
>>>> fax: 877-731-3030
>>>> www.cavnet.org
>>>> EIN: 52-2117529
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