Hi all, Indeed this is good news if the audible signals are installed correctly. I will be the first to say the city has been wonderful about installing audible signals. I would like to say that the city needs to make sure that what they install are accessible and let's say findable. I would insist that the signal buttons should have locater beeps and tactile indicators so people can find them. I have seen some good audible crossings and some that aren't so good. My main concerns would be that the city work with the Blind and wheelchair group to insure at least these crossings be totally accessible and as far as I know the Polaris system is the best and currently this is not the system the city uses because they cost more. Also as far as I know there isn't a standard for audible signals by the state of Florida or the Federal government. I think it is also important to work closely with the city to make sure if a particular intersection is chosen as a transfer point that it is absolutely safe and some may require a pedestrian cross over . For those people in wheelchairs, I just don't see the new system being feasible. Beyond the disability issue, I still don't think the majority of people who work will use the bus if they have to walk a mile to and from the bus especially in bad weather. I have always been in favor of a decentralized system but if you don't go to the places where people live, for the most part the buses will be empty. As star metro states, they will not spend much more money to increase service but if you truly increase service you spend moor money. You can't double services with out it costing money and where the citizens are getting short changed is on the service coverage area. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Allison and Chip Orange To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Nova Plan Thanks William. Just an FYI, last week, when I posted an article from the Democrat by Tamaran Waters on the latest StarMetro listening session, I spoke with Ms. Waters regarding some of the problems and the concerns raised here on TABI. She wasn't aware that transfers would be required across dangerous or difficult traffic intersections, along with many other aspects of how the plan would possibly effect the disabled. she seemed very interested in writing a follow-up piece, and seemed to indicate that she would speak to StarMetro about issues such as the intersections being used as transfer points. I haven't heard any more from her, and so don't know what the status is of her follow-on article; however, if it's still in progress, as you say, it may be a good opportunity to garner consessions from StarMetro if/when it's published. hth, Chip ----- Original Message ----- From: blindwilly To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [tabi] Nova Plan Greetings, In view of the entire goings on, I thought I would write a little on what is happening with the NOVA new bus schedule. As many of you know, not only did Sam Scheib come to our TCB meeting, but he brought the entire team to put down rumors and take suggestions for the new plan. What follows is what I can think of now, but there will be lots more to come. With MiccosukeeHills,, I made the suggestion that they compromise and instead of stopping on the road, where there is a ditch, and driving all threw the complex,at least pulling into the parking lot where folks could come and meat the bus. He immediately thought that would be a good suggestion for a compromise. I also asked about the governors Square Mall, I pointed out that just by virtue that there is handicapped parking up close to the building, that the state and federal government know the danger of walking threw un controlled traffic. Again he said he would take that to heart and had his secretary write it down. After Sam left our meeting he called and told us that he had been working on our suggestions and had one of his own. He is per posing putting in audible signals at every place where there is a transfer that requires crossing the street. Folks, this amounts to sum 39 audible signals and I think it is something to be commended. You all know that White Cane Days is coming up on Thursday and Sally and my Tallassee chapter of Lions are going to be out in forse. We will be carrying signs at Magnolia and call, as well as Capital Circle and Mahan. We will have sleep shades for members and others to use to cross the street and I have plenty of white canes for them to experience. Sam's public relations person along with our Lions president, Ray Maloy will be inviting the media. They have already contacted the police department and they have shown a willingness to work with Star Metro on traffic issues. I think this new bus plan has left us with a great opportunity to get some concessions before we are left behind. It has come after years of hard work and you our blind citizens are the ones to thank. Please let us all know if you hear any new news on this subject and we will all be working together, rather than pulling against each other. PS, Sam and his team will be back to TCB after the first of the year and staying as partners in this. William William Benjamin, Piano Tuner Extraordinaire. The tuner alone preserves the tone.