[tabi] Re: Fw: [fcb-l] Fw: Re: Fw: president's report at fcb convention
- From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:20:45 -0400
Craig,
Thanks for reminding us of how things were.
This is all true; my only point was that I have heard stories that say,
today, clients aren't being given any choice, but are being told "you must
use brand-X because it's all that we support". I believe that when you
have only one person doing the assistive tech support for an entire region,
then yes, it's quite possible they feel over-whelmed and feel they can only
keep up with one brand of each representative item.
I would prefer one or more people who handle this job state-wide, and so
have the time to learn all reasonable offerings available on the market.
Hopefully then, clients won't be pressured into buying the one which the
assistive tech specialist is familiar with.
Chip
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Craig Kiser
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:05 PM
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Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: [fcb-l] Fw: Re: Fw: president's report at fcb
convention
When I was Director I had DBS purchase technology to be placed in
each district office and each lighthouse so clients could see and
try out equipment before choosing the one that served their needs
best. Unfortunately, this practice was discontinued and the
equipment seems to have disappeared. Clients need to have
choice, but that choice needs to be informed choice, which can't
happen unless the client is able to know what is available and to
be able to try it out before choosing. Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:44:33 -0400
Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: [fcb-l] Fw: Re: Fw: president's report
at fcb convention
This is another thing which just kills me; these lighthouses are
so small they don?셳 even try to support more than one vendor in
any area, or do any sort of meaningful comparisons between
vendors, and constantly keep that up to date, because their
person is so busy. If clients went through a large state agency
(such as DBS) there is at least some chance they could hire
enough people they would be able to offer support on many
vendors??products, and thus allow the client to have some input
as to the equipment and products they receive.
Chip
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[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Easy Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:32 PM
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Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: [fcb-l] Fw: Re: Fw: president's report at
fcb convention
Most of the clients that get equipment went through a lighthouse
and the ones that don't didn't. In fact the lighthouses
recommend the technology and vendor it is purchased from. In
fact some preferred benders do the evaluation and provide the
equipment. and in about 99 percent of the recommendations made
by lighthouses are products they use and know. for example very
few lighthouses train on window-eyes, NVDA I phones and android
devices. Not to mention all the cool apps for iphone and
android. Still Jaws openbook zoom text Braille note and that is
what blind
people get for all that money.
If anyone on there boards try to affect change or rock the boat,
they don't last long or get tired of fighting a yes board and
resign or don't seek re-appointment.
Robert
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: Chip and Allie Orange <mailto:acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:01 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: [fcb-l] Fw: Re: Fw: president's report at
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Yes Wendy, that?셲 crazy; lighthouses get paid a bonus for doing
their job which they are already being paid for?
That money could easily buy the client all the assistive
technology they could reasonably need to get going in a new job;
tell me, will DBS buy clients all the assistive tech they need
for a new job (in the past I have heard not; that it?셲 very
difficult to get your needed equipment). If that?셲 the case,
maybe they should give the bonus money to the client to help get
started.
Chip
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wendy.hoss@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:31 PM
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The lighthouse here got that money from my case this year and did
nothing to help me. G-d and I got my job for me while the
lighthouse did nothing but take the money and run, I could have
used that money myself.
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From: "Easy Talk" <Easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:49:17 AM
Subject: [tabi] Fw: [fcb-l] Fw: Re: Fw: president's report at
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:40 AM
Subject: Fw: [fcb-l] Fw: [tabi] Re: Fw: president's report at fcb
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Wendy you are so on target. To strengthen your point, out of
over 730 clients that were sent to lighthouses last year only 12
were gainfully employed not to mention the millions in contracts
it cost the state. DBS could just give the money to the clients
and not have to worry about them again. For the 12 who were
employed the lighthouses receive an additional $5,400 if the
employment last 90 days above all the money they receive for
actual training. Sure wish I could get a contract like that.
.
Robert
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:47 AM
Subject: [fcb-l] Fw: [tabi] Re: Fw: president's report at fcb
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----- Original Message -----
From: wendy.hoss@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:31 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: [fcb-l] president's report at fcb
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Robert,
Well said and I agree. It is my personal opinion that FAASB and
the Lighthouses be excluded from the hiring process altogether.
It is so unethical that those who stand gain financially from
their friend getting hiring, should even participate. Money,
that is what this whole situation is all about, the Lighthouses
want to continue their overthrow of DBS and continue to become
wealthy from taxpayer dollars which are supposed to be used to
assist citizens with blindness to become employed. As evidenced
by the last FAASB cronie to become director FAASB and the
Lighthouses do not care about the good of citizens with
blindness, they just want a friend that will keep the fat
contracts coming. Is there a method for impeaching Mr
Edwards, if so I encourage the board to move forward with that
option. Also, I think we should all send letters to the governor
denouncing his demands. Although, I must say that I would
support a request that current DBS employees not be considered as
most of those in the state office were promoted or brought on by
Joyce and can therefore, not be trusted. I would support Craig
in his application for the job, while he may have been a
supporter of NFB at least you knew where he was coming from,
seemed to operate ethically, and you knew he supported the
consumers.
Wendy
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From: "Easy Talk" <Easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:18:19 PM
Subject: [tabi] Fw: [fcb-l] president's report at fcb convention
----- Original Message -----
From: Easy Talk <mailto:Easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: fcb-l@xxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: [fcb-l] president's report at fcb convention
Let me start by saying my remarks are solely my opinion and that
I am not currently a member of FCB and hopefully my remarks will
help you all understand why I am not.
1. In Paul's message this morning it is absolutely clear that
Paul made a decision on his own with out consulting the Executive
committee or board in regards to his demands to the governors
office for the requirements for hiring a new director of DBS To
the best of my knowledge. And since FCB is suppose to be a
democratic organization , he is promoting his own political
agenda. In all my years of involvement with FCB I have never
seen or never made such a decision with out approval from the
board or at least the executive committee while I was president
regarding such an important issue.
Hopefully Paul's demands outlined below will help you understand
where I am coming from.
1. The new director can not be a former employ who held a higher
level position in DBS. As many of you know Craig Kiser has
applied for the directors position and if this demand is
implemented, it would exclude Craig and is intended to do
exactly that. I am not sure if you all are aware but Craig has
attempted to contact Paul via Email and phone to talk to him and
ask for FCB's support of which Mr. Edwards has not responded.
What gives him the right to not bring Craig's request to FCB?
Answer, his own political agenda. In the past this has never
been a request of FCB.
2. The new director can not be a current employ of DBS. See
number 3. In all FCB's dealings with the hiring decision of a
director, this demand has never been a requirement and I have no
idea what the purpose of this demand means except it is designed
to insure that a FAASB applicant has a better chance and is meant
to get the position. I say this because roomer has it that a
director of one of the larger Lighthouses has applied for the
position and is supposedly being supported by FCB FAASB and NFBF
leaders such as there presidents and not necessarily the majority
of what there members have decided or want.
Were you ask or did you have any input? Why should Faasb be
included in the final decision since they negotiate contracts
between the Lighthouses and DBS, sounds like a conflict of
interest to me. Why didn't mar. Edwards exclude current or
former directors of Lighthouses since they are the reason we have
the current mess we have, yet excludes DBS former and current
employs of dbs since these individuals may be some of the most
experienced applicants in the blindness field For example
Edward Hudson who did an excellent job during the town hall
meeting. I have no idea if he is interested in the job but if he
is should not be excluded by Mr. Edwards own agenda.
Edward got right to the point and addressed the important issues
and demonstrated his years of experience as director of the
center in Daytona.
3. FCB will not except a general administrator as the new
director and the successful applicant must have experience in
serving the needs of the blind.
IN the past FCB has never required the director to be blind but
has strongly encouraged this practice and personally I am for the
most qualified person but this means FCB is willing to except a
sighted director, and what better pool of applicants than
directors of Lighthouses who are members of FAASB. Here again,
this is to open the door for Paul's own agenda with out
consideration from FCB. How does a organization of the blind
exclude certain blind individuals yet opens the door for FAASB
lighthouse directors?
4. Later on in the business meeting, Mr. Edwards took grate
pains to say how Florida was different than other states in the
fact that major consumer organizations and FAASB were in
agreement and wanted the same things, My question to you all is,
Do you know what FAASB's, FCB and NFBF's position really is, have
you seen an official statement from any of these organizations?
Has FCB really made an official statement and had proper input to
represent the actual majority of it's members. I don't think
so. If we allow this to continue, Is FCB really affective?
I certainly hope the Governors office is more affective than to
allow such ridiculous demands made by Mr. Edwards to govern
there hiring practices and hope that FCB members stand up and not
allow this political sabotage to occur. It is my intention as a
blind citizen to send this message to the governor's office and
under the current conditions, I encourage you if you agree to do
the same.
I joined The Florida Council OF The Blind not The Paul Edwards
Council FOR The blind. Now I am not a member of either. When
are you members going to take back the organization you formed 60
years ago.
I am not at this time going to go in to other issues that
affected my decision to no longer be a member of FCB and I know
some of you and Mr. Edwards is aware of my concerns However they
seem to still be his style of administration.
Very sad Robert
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