[tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
- From: "Daniel Ben Moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 22:24:08 -0400
I am very disturbed by this. The thing that most upsets me is the joking
way that many of our sighted brethren acted on the WCTV site about the
incident. They acted is if the whole thing were a big joke. I tell you I
wish I were back in Tally, because I would be right there with you on the
streets picketing.
This is now not a Tallahassee problem, this is a human problem I think we
need to make that move to make the white Cain law a priority to educate the
communities concerning this. This should not be, and is totally
unacceptable.
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Governor Staten
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 7:28 PM
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Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
We need to do something like this in South Fl.
On 8/5/2013 7:10 PM, Easy Talk wrote:
Hi Lynn,
I am all for that and I think one in front of the police department would go
a long way.. I have had a lot of calls with support and think we could get
a pretty good crowd. A lot of my sighted friends are pretty angry and want
to do what ever it takes to get people and law enforcement aware of the
problem. We can do something now and again on white cane day and that
doesn't mean sitting and walking around Lake ella.
Robert
the problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Evans <mailto:austin.evans60@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:53 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
Hello all:
Using the word "retargeted" in this day and time is like using the "N word"
Both are highly offensive to specific groups of people. So in expressing
your outrage at Roberts situation please choose your words wisely. The
people making disparaging comments are a far cry from bing intellectually
challenged. They are quite aware of what they are writing and their goal is
to provoke a response and not to move the dialog along in any positive way.
The White Cane Law is what it is. The blind community needs to promote the
awareness of the law. Unfortunately the only time the law is brought to the
public's attention is the White Cane Day in October and whenever a blind
person gets knocked down or run over by a vehicle.
Anyone care to picket the intersection at Village Square for an hour or
more. I don't care to do it all by myself. If you let me know the date and
time I can meet you there. After all there is safety in numbers.
From: Governor Staten <mailto:govsta@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 1:02 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
These guys are obviously retarded in some fundamental way. They must think
that the disabled are somehow not human, or without intellect. Incredible!!
On 8/5/2013 11:40 AM, Easy Talk wrote:
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Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 11:31 AM
Subject: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
----- Original Message -----
From: Easy Talk <mailto:Easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fcb-l@xxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 7:28 AM
Subject: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident
Thought I would post the comments to save you all the trouble of finding
them your self since the site isn't all that friendly.
PandCreturns
Just another agenda just like the bicyclisyts who want to own the roadways.
Why is
it that when just one person has a problem or an issue, the whole world has
to change
their ways to accommodate them? The white cane law is stupid and dangerous.
Traffic
flowing smoothly suddenly having to stop at a green light because someone
raises
a white cane and just walks in to the road is ridiculous!
Blink Blogger
I'm Robert's sister, and it's pretty disheartening to see
the ignorance and lack of understanding displayed in so many comments of
presumably perfectly sighted individuals! Being blind myself and using a
white
cane instead of a guide dog, I've also had two potentially life threatening
experiences when crossing at the intersection of Crawfordville Highway and
Capital Circle because of drivers who didn't even slow down when making a
right
turn on red, much less come to a full stop or "yield the right-of-way"
(including a dump truck). So I wonder just how many of us will have to be
seriously injured or even killed before SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING about the
obvious danger for visually impaired pedestrians!
Despite being forced to accept a certain level of dependence
as the result of our blindness, it seems that doing our utmost to maintain
as
much independence as possible when it comes to simply going to the grocery
store and performing other necessary
daily activities would be an admirable trait, rather than a matter of such
ridicule or idiotic commentary. Instead, why doesn't a blind man being
nearly
killed through no fault of his own and because (as the driver himself told
the
police officer) a driver didn't see him (even though he was crossing the
street
in plain view) get the attention of those who have the ability to make
changes
that could literally save someone else from a worse outcome than what
happened
to my brother yesterday? And since both
Robert and my sister-in-law have previously been hit by cars at the same
intersection,
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the odds of their
continued
safe crossing there are not good.
So I'll conclude with a few constructive suggestions for our
state and/or local law makers to consider. First, is the convenience of
drivers
being able to make a right turn on red worth more than the potential loss of
life or serious bodily harm it poses to all pedestrians, and even more
particularly to those who are blind, elderly and otherwise disabled? I don't
think so. And if even our police officers aren't aware of the White Cane
Law,
along with every driver the reporter asked about it yesterday, we
desperately need
some kind of public service announcements to better inform the public and
alert
them to the need to be on the lookout for blind and otherwise disabled
pedestrians.
Additionally, since NONE of the drivers questioned yesterday (including
multiple police personnel) were even aware that Florida law requires them to
come to a full stop AND TO YIELD THE RIGHT-OF-WAY whenever a blind
pedestrian utilizing
a guide dog or white cane is crossing the street (even though that's clearly
stated in the current Florida Driver Handbook in Sections 5.16.3 and
5.16.4),
the White Cane Law is obviously given woefully insufficient attention when
drivers
take the required test to obtain a Florida driver's license. And since my
brother literally had to fight for the truck driver to be given a ticket,
perhaps much more serious penalties and fines should be imposed and
mandatory
whenever any driver fails to yield the right-of-way to pedestrians as
required
by the White Cane Law. Finally, since the
truck driver admitted that he never even saw my brother, I can't help
wondering if he was texting or reading a text message at the time of the
incident since I'm not aware of anything that would have obstructed his
view. However,
I am personally aware of several serious auto accidents caused by a driver's
texting,
so perhaps it's time to require that the cell phone records of all drivers
involved in accidents be examined to determine if they were texting and to
impose very heavy mandatory fines and penalties if that's the case. After
all, NOTHING
ever sent or received in a text message is worth the potential serious
bodily
harm or death of another person just because a driver isn't paying proper
attention while driving!
Steve Montgomery
As you can see from the post history below that there are most people that
support
what you're saying, and feel bad for what nearly happened to your brother.
They support
your view and what you're trying to do. Two avenues for you to consider are
the news
stations and the state. If it's important enough to you then you should
pursue it.
More laws aren't the answer. Awareness and education can probably do a lot a
more.
Most good people will respond favorably to that.
Sadly, there will always be those who hide behind keyboards and post their
vitriol.
Don't let them deter or draw you into the back and forth. That's the only
way they
win. They'll never admit to you that their life essentially sucks. You can
safely
assume they have self-esteem issues. They're nothing more than internet
cowards.
It's why you see them hide their names and post the things they do.
The Idiot
Hold on a minute, how did this guy know it was a truck, how did he even know
he was
almost ran over if he's blind. Im calling BS on this, do we have video from
the traffic
cams or something. Now all of a sudden this guy can tell what kind of
vehicle almost
hit him. BS
Mrs Moore
He could probably hear it.
xzx
Are you deaf?
The Idiot
Little hard of hearing from working around heavy machinery, but not enough
to claim
a disability or get one of those cool talk to text phones. I just see this
as more
of an agenda piece than an actual story, but to add that the blind guy said
a truck
"almost" hit him, hmmmm, could have been a hoopty with a ragged muffler. I
mean,
did the person passing him, the one that "almost" hit him scream out " I'm
driving
a truck!"? Did someone tell him that he almost got ran over by a truck.
xzx
You need to get 'em checked -- I can tell between 4 and 18 wheels literally
a half
mile distant -- and up close can discern 10, not to mention load
condition...
No telling what a guy blind from birth can do.
The Idiot
Oh I agree with the semi part, I could hear the low rumble from a concrete
truck
from 3 miles out, makes my back hurt just thinking about it, but the truck
part,
just kinda fishy
budabbott
I know this guy. See him at least two or three times a week. He goes by the
law and
never goes over half mile from the house just to get food. I saw a comment
from a
guy named the idiot which he is and hope you go through the same thing you
asshole.
The Idiot
Oh , guess who didn't see the post? The one that matters most, the seeing
eye dog.
WTH, are you going to run oft and tell him I posted this?
The Idiot
Sheesh, I have a feeling you couldn't fit a toothpick up your bunghole with
a sledge
hammer, oh , btw, i'm reporting you for calling me names, you hurt my
feelings, my
mommas crazy and I'm not afraid to tell on you.
Anon
Seems like it would be common sense to stop if a blind person, or anyone for
that
matter, is in the road! Why is a law needed?!
BeeMooreCareful
Quick question: this happened a while ago but I want to know the answer just
in case
I see it again. Does anyone know who you report seeing eye dog abuse too? I
was driving
down john Knox and this lady had a seeing eye dog. Well traffic was coming
so the
dog didn't go in the street. The woman was yanking on the dog, cussing at it
and
telling it to go. The dog was scared and had his tail between his legs. I
think she
might have even hit the dog. How do you report someone for seeing eye dog
abuse when
clearly they need the dog? Do you call the cops or the animal cops? And if
they take
the dog away...won't she get another?
Mrs Moore
Awww that's terrible!! Maybe stop and ask her if she'd rather get ran
over...idk
that's a tough one :(
PhineasPhreak
I'd have stopped and asked just what the hell she was doing.
BeeMooreCareful
Wish I would have but I was in shock I guess. The dog didn't want her to get
hit
by a car
lowerright
I think you're supposed to report animal abuse to Animal Control.
BeeMooreCareful
Won't they give her another dog? What if she does the same thing again.
There has
to be some sort of rules.
lowerright
I don't know. I honestly never even thought about this before! I always
imagined
this loving relationship between person and dog. I never even imagined that
blind
people were abusing their seeing-eye dogs. Actually the whole story made me
hate
humanity even more than I already did!
The Idiot
Lets sneak up and swap dogs on her, give her one that chases cars, hahahaha
FredSmithIV
This comment almost makes up for the callous remarks you made above. This
one made
me smile. The ones above are just kinda cold. If the story is a slight
embellishment
of the truth, it doesn't really matter, especially if it makes at least one
person
stop and think. I really do like you switching dogs idea, though! :)
BeeMooreCareful
Maybe you can give her a cat....tell her it's the new thing. Or a seeing eye
lizard...
The Idiot
Seeing eye fish
BeeMooreCareful
Seeing eye tadpole?
The Idiot
seeing eye soap on a rope
The Idiot
give her a box with a furby in it and a rope to pull it
BeeMooreCareful
Or a dead possum....just as effective.
The Idiot
Some people need to be hit, if she was blind you could have done it and she
wouldnt
be able to identify you :)
NotaNewbie
Terrible. But I have to admit I laughed :)
The Idiot
Humor is such a fleeting thing, not everyone gets my twisted tang, you must
have
been abducted by aliens also, usually thats the only ones that get it.
BeeMooreCareful
Impossible Idiot. I have watched many documentaries and black people don't
get abducted
by aliens, aliens don't even go to the hood. Last time an alien went to the
hood,
ET got shot in a driveby and his spaceship got stolen. A few days later the
spaceship
was spotted with rims on it..blasting the new Jay Z album
The Idiot
Next time watch where you're going blindy Mc blind guy. :)
Steve Montgomery
Change your nic to "a**hole". "The Idiot" doesn't serve you well enough.
The Idiot
hey relax Steve, not like blindy can read this, thanks for sticking up for
him on
the forum, I just hope you dont trick this guy into thinking youre his
girlfriend.
Steve Montgomery
How crappy your life must be that you need to behave this way on a news
forum. Keyboard
commando = coward. Good for you. Moving on....
The Idiot
What? Guess you feel better picking on me hurting my feelings on the forum,
I guess
none of your friends ever mess with you about any of your non perfect
attributes,
I've got friends with no legs and missing digits and have no qualms asking
for a
high 4 or making cheaper sock jokes, one pair last twice as long. Ok if this
will
make you feel better, I'll apologize to your pal, ... .... .. .... .... ....
.....
. . ... . Will you be my fren now?
NotaNewbie
What an awesome doggie!
thesheepwillalwaysfollow
Good puppy! Well trained and well worth the investment.
Can anyone tell the difference between a person walking his dog or a seeing
eye dog
doing their job? I know about the white cane law, but to be able to tell the
difference
between a seeing eye dog and a dog walking is nearly impossible.
Maybe if the guy had the cane, it would have been different.
Spanky
A person just walking his dog will usually just use a leash. Seeing eye dogs
will
typically be on a U shaped harness.
PhineasPhreak
Atta boy Sherman! Good dog! Glad you're all OK.
As to the White Cane Law, I don't know how anyone can expect 30 tons of
truck to
come to a halt in time to prevent tragedy. Kinda like really expecting a
six-lane
intersection to become a four-way stop during a power-failure.
jcrawson
Not only do I know how, but I expect it too. How about people driving
vehicles have
some situational awareness for walkers, joggers, canes, doggies, no power,
bicyclists,
etc.? Secondly, don't drive at an excessive rate of speed, you're breaking
the law
if you do (remember the speed limit is max authorized speed in perfect
conditions).
Third, be in control of your vehicle (if you can't stop in time, you
weren't). How
hard is that?
Steve Montgomery
It's not an unrealistic expectation. This pedestrian didn't just jump out
into the
intersection expecting everyone to come to a quick stop. The solution is
really very
simple: EVERYONE needs to slow down, pay attention, be responsible, and be
courteous.
It really is not that hard.
Gretchen Washington
Walking around in ritchie rich repubic-an side of town you will hit, they
all talk
on cell phone and there fancy cars.
FredSmithIV
Seriously... how sad and pathetic is your life? I suppose you have a point,
in a
way, though. A person is probably more likely to get hit by a "fancy car" in
that
area versus a hoopty on the South side. The distraction by being on a cell
phone
is probably about equal, if not a bit more so on the South side with
justifications
I won't go into. However, you neglected to mention the much higher
likelihood of
one being gunned down in a drive-by on the South side and in the hoods...
Jason
Jealous much? How about "justification for education" these so called "rich"
people
are not all republicans. They are all from different political backgrounds,
race
and religions. They have educated themselves so they may get the high paying
jobs
and afford the nice cars on the nice side of town.
jcrawson
The good news is they generally have money and a decent amount of car
insurance so
you -- or your family -- are gonna get paid. Better than what I can say for
the other
side of town.
GeniusOne
Aww you are just mad because they are functionally literate and you are not.
PhineasPhreak
Not likely she's aware of that. She's not aware of much, it appears. It's so
bad,
it may be an act.
xzx
Just possibly an act. Remember tony? "Steeling jobs"?
Same same.
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