[tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident

  • From: "Easy Talk" <Easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 05:36:56 -0400

I certainly get your point but remember it is people like this that are driving 
around in cars.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Erica 
  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Cc: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:41 PM
  Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident

  From what I understand, this is the level of banter typical of that 
particular forum. While I am certainly NOT defending or condoning these 
insensitive comments or the attitude they convey... Well... Just consider the 
source: people choosing to spend hours glued to their computers or devices, 
trolling for prey of one form or other, rather than engaging in any type of 
activity that might improve society, themselves... Or, heaven forbid... Both!

  Sent from my iPad

  On Aug 5, 2013, at 10:24 PM, "Daniel Ben Moshe" <danielbenmoshe1@xxxxxxxxx> 

  I am very disturbed by this.  The thing that most upsets me is the joking way 
that many of our sighted brethren acted on the WCTV site about the incident.  
They acted is if the whole thing were a big joke.  I tell you I wish I were 
back in Tally, because I would be right there with you on the streets  
  This is now not a Tallahassee problem, this is a human problem I think we 
need to make that move to make the white Cain law a priority to educate the 
communities concerning this.  This should not be, and is totally unacceptable.  

  From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Governor Staten
  Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 7:28 PM
  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident

  We need to do something like this in South Fl.

  On 8/5/2013 7:10 PM, Easy Talk wrote:

    Hi Lynn,

    I am all for that and I think one in front of the police department would 
go a long way..  I have had a lot of calls with support and think we could get 
a pretty good crowd. A lot of my sighted friends are pretty angry and want to 
do what ever it takes to get people and law enforcement aware of   the problem. 
We can do something now and again on white cane day and that doesn't mean 
sitting and walking around Lake ella.

    the problem.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Lynn Evans 
      To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:53 PM
      Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident

      Hello all: 

      Using the word “retargeted” in this day and time is like using the “N 
word” Both are highly offensive to specific groups of people. So in expressing 
your outrage at Roberts situation please choose your words wisely. The people 
making disparaging comments are a far cry from bing intellectually challenged.  
They are quite aware of what they are writing and their goal is to provoke a 
response and not to move the dialog along in any positive way.  

      The White Cane Law is what it is. The blind community needs to promote 
the awareness of the law. Unfortunately the only time the law is brought to the 
public’s attention is the White Cane Day in October and whenever a blind person 
gets knocked down or run over by a vehicle.   

      Anyone care to picket the intersection at Village Square for an hour or 
more. I don’t care to do it all by myself. If you let me know the date and time 
I can meet you there. After all there is safety in numbers.  

      From: Governor Staten 
      Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 1:02 PM
      To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident

      These guys are obviously retarded in some fundamental way. They must 
think that the disabled are somehow not human, or without intellect. 

      On 8/5/2013 11:40 AM, Easy Talk wrote:

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Easy Talk 
        To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 11:31 AM
        Subject: Fw: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Easy Talk 
        To: fcb-l@xxxxxxx 
        Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 7:28 AM
        Subject: comments posted on wctv site ref my accident

        Thought I would post the comments to save you all the trouble of 
finding them your self since the site isn't all that friendly.

        Just another agenda just like the bicyclisyts who want to own the 
roadways. Why is
        it that when just one person has a problem or an issue, the whole world 
has to change
        their ways to accommodate them? The white cane law is stupid and 
dangerous. Traffic
        flowing smoothly suddenly having to stop at a green light because 
someone raises
        a white cane and just walks in to the road is ridiculous!
        Blink Blogger
        I'm Robert's sister, and it's pretty disheartening to see
        the ignorance and lack of understanding displayed in so many comments of
        presumably perfectly sighted individuals! Being blind myself and using 
a white
        cane instead of a guide dog, I've also had two potentially life 
        experiences when crossing at the intersection of Crawfordville Highway 
        Capital Circle because of drivers who didn't even slow down when making 
a right
        turn on red, much less come to a full stop or "yield the right-of-way"
        (including a dump truck). So I wonder just how many of us will have to 
        seriously injured or even killed before SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING about the
        obvious danger for visually impaired pedestrians!
        Despite being forced to accept a certain level of dependence
        as the result of our blindness, it seems that doing our utmost to 
maintain as
        much independence as possible when it comes to simply going to the 
        store and performing other necessary
        daily activities would be an admirable trait, rather than a matter of 
        ridicule or idiotic commentary. Instead, why doesn't a blind man being 
        killed through no fault of his own and because (as the driver himself 
told the
        police officer) a driver didn't see him (even though he was crossing 
the street
        in plain view) get the attention of those who have the ability to make 
        that could literally save someone else from a worse outcome than what 
        to my brother yesterday? And since both
        Robert and my sister-in-law have previously been hit by cars at the 
same intersection,
        it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the odds of their 
        safe crossing there are not good.
        So I'll conclude with a few constructive suggestions for our
        state and/or local law makers to consider. First, is the convenience of 
        being able to make a right turn on red worth more than the potential 
loss of
        life or serious bodily harm it poses to all pedestrians, and even more
        particularly to those who are blind, elderly and otherwise disabled? I 
        think so. And if even our police officers aren't aware of the White 
Cane Law,
        along with every driver the reporter asked about it yesterday, we 
desperately need
        some kind of public service announcements to better inform the public 
and alert
        them to the need to be on the lookout for blind and otherwise disabled 
        Additionally, since NONE of the drivers questioned yesterday (including
        multiple police personnel) were even aware that Florida law requires 
them to
        come to a full stop AND TO YIELD THE RIGHT-OF-WAY whenever a blind 
pedestrian utilizing
        a guide dog or white cane is crossing the street (even though that's 
        stated in the current Florida Driver Handbook in Sections 5.16.3 and 
        the White Cane Law is obviously given woefully insufficient attention 
when drivers
        take the required test to obtain a Florida driver's license. And since 
        brother literally had to fight for the truck driver to be given a 
        perhaps much more serious penalties and fines should be imposed and 
        whenever any driver fails to yield the right-of-way to pedestrians as 
        by the White Cane Law. Finally, since the
        truck driver admitted that he never even saw my brother, I can't help
        wondering if he was texting or reading a text message at the time of the
        incident since I'm not aware of anything that would have obstructed his 
view. However,
        I am personally aware of several serious auto accidents caused by a 
driver's texting,
        so perhaps it's time to require that the cell phone records of all 
        involved in accidents be examined to determine if they were texting and 
        impose very heavy mandatory fines and penalties if that's the case. 
After all, NOTHING
        ever sent or received in a text message is worth the potential serious 
        harm or death of another person just because a driver isn't paying 
        attention while driving!
        Steve Montgomery
        As you can see from the post history below that there are most people 
that support
        what you're saying, and feel bad for what nearly happened to your 
brother. They support
        your view and what you're trying to do. Two avenues for you to consider 
are the news
        stations and the state. If it's important enough to you then you should 
pursue it.
        More laws aren't the answer. Awareness and education can probably do a 
lot a more.
        Most good people will respond favorably to that.
        Sadly, there will always be those who hide behind keyboards and post 
their vitriol.
        Don't let them deter or draw you into the back and forth. That's the 
only way they
        win. They'll never admit to you that their life essentially sucks. You 
can safely
        assume they have self-esteem issues. They're nothing more than internet 
        It's why you see them hide their names and post the things they do.
        The Idiot
        Hold on a minute, how did this guy know it was a truck, how did he even 
know he was
        almost ran over if he's blind. Im calling BS on this, do we have video 
from the traffic
        cams or something. Now all of a sudden this guy can tell what kind of 
vehicle almost
        hit him. BS
        Mrs Moore
        He could probably hear it.
        Are you deaf?
        The Idiot
        Little hard of hearing from working around heavy machinery, but not 
enough to claim
        a disability or get one of those cool talk to text phones. I just see 
this as more
        of an agenda piece than an actual story, but to add that the blind guy 
said a truck
        "almost" hit him, hmmmm, could have been a hoopty with a ragged 
muffler. I mean,
        did the person passing him, the one that "almost" hit him scream out " 
I'm driving
        a truck!"? Did someone tell him that he almost got ran over by a truck.
        You need to get 'em checked -- I can tell between 4 and 18 wheels 
literally a half
        mile distant -- and up close can discern 10, not to mention load 
        No telling what a guy blind from birth can do.
        The Idiot
        Oh I agree with the semi part, I could hear the low rumble from a 
concrete truck
        from 3 miles out, makes my back hurt just thinking about it, but the 
truck part,
        just kinda fishy
        I know this guy. See him at least two or three times a week. He goes by 
the law and
        never goes over half mile from the house just to get food. I saw a 
comment from a
        guy named the idiot which he is and hope you go through the same thing 
you asshole.
        The Idiot
        Oh , guess who didn't see the post? The one that matters most, the 
seeing eye dog.
        WTH, are you going to run oft and tell him I posted this?
        The Idiot
        Sheesh, I have a feeling you couldn't fit a toothpick up your bunghole 
with a sledge
        hammer, oh , btw, i'm reporting you for calling me names, you hurt my 
feelings, my
        mommas crazy and I'm not afraid to tell on you.
        Seems like it would be common sense to stop if a blind person, or 
anyone for that
        matter, is in the road! Why is a law needed?!
        Quick question: this happened a while ago but I want to know the answer 
just in case
        I see it again. Does anyone know who you report seeing eye dog abuse 
too? I was driving
        down john Knox and this lady had a seeing eye dog. Well traffic was 
coming so the
        dog didn't go in the street. The woman was yanking on the dog, cussing 
at it and
        telling it to go. The dog was scared and had his tail between his legs. 
I think she
        might have even hit the dog. How do you report someone for seeing eye 
dog abuse when
        clearly they need the dog? Do you call the cops or the animal cops? And 
if they take
        the dog away...won't she get another?
        Mrs Moore
        Awww that's terrible!! Maybe stop and ask her if she'd rather get ran 
        that's a tough one :(
        I'd have stopped and asked just what the hell she was doing.
        Wish I would have but I was in shock I guess. The dog didn't want her 
to get hit
        by a car
        I think you're supposed to report animal abuse to Animal Control.
        Won't they give her another dog? What if she does the same thing again. 
There has
        to be some sort of rules.
        I don't know. I honestly never even thought about this before! I always 
        this loving relationship between person and dog. I never even imagined 
that blind
        people were abusing their seeing-eye dogs. Actually the whole story 
made me hate
        humanity even more than I already did!
        The Idiot
        Lets sneak up and swap dogs on her, give her one that chases cars, 
        This comment almost makes up for the callous remarks you made above. 
This one made
        me smile. The ones above are just kinda cold. If the story is a slight 
        of the truth, it doesn't really matter, especially if it makes at least 
one person
        stop and think. I really do like you switching dogs idea, though! :)
        Maybe you can give her a cat....tell her it's the new thing. Or a 
seeing eye lizard...
        The Idiot
        Seeing eye fish
        Seeing eye tadpole?
        The Idiot
        seeing eye soap on a rope
        The Idiot
        give her a box with a furby in it and a rope to pull it
        Or a dead possum....just as effective.
        The Idiot
        Some people need to be hit, if she was blind you could have done it and 
she wouldnt
        be able to identify you :)
        Terrible. But I have to admit I laughed :)
        The Idiot
        Humor is such a fleeting thing, not everyone gets my twisted tang, you 
must have
        been abducted by aliens also, usually thats the only ones that get it.
        Impossible Idiot. I have watched many documentaries and black people 
don't get abducted
        by aliens, aliens don't even go to the hood. Last time an alien went to 
the hood,
        ET got shot in a driveby and his spaceship got stolen. A few days later 
the spaceship
        was spotted with rims on it..blasting the new Jay Z album
        The Idiot
        Next time watch where you're going blindy Mc blind guy. :)
        Steve Montgomery
        Change your nic to "a**hole". "The Idiot" doesn't serve you well enough.
        The Idiot
        hey relax Steve, not like blindy can read this, thanks for sticking up 
for him on
        the forum, I just hope you dont trick this guy into thinking youre his 
        Steve Montgomery
        How crappy your life must be that you need to behave this way on a news 
forum. Keyboard
        commando = coward. Good for you. Moving on....
        The Idiot
        What? Guess you feel better picking on me hurting my feelings on the 
forum, I guess
        none of your friends ever mess with you about any of your non perfect 
        I've got friends with no legs and missing digits and have no qualms 
asking for a
        high 4 or making cheaper sock jokes, one pair last twice as long. Ok if 
this will
        make you feel better, I'll apologize to your pal, ... .... .. .... .... 
.... .....
        . . ... . Will you be my fren now?
        What an awesome doggie!
        Good puppy! Well trained and well worth the investment.
        Can anyone tell the difference between a person walking his dog or a 
seeing eye dog
        doing their job? I know about the white cane law, but to be able to 
tell the difference
        between a seeing eye dog and a dog walking is nearly impossible.
        Maybe if the guy had the cane, it would have been different.
        A person just walking his dog will usually just use a leash. Seeing eye 
dogs will
        typically be on a U shaped harness.
        Atta boy Sherman! Good dog! Glad you're all OK.
        As to the White Cane Law, I don't know how anyone can expect 30 tons of 
truck to
        come to a halt in time to prevent tragedy. Kinda like really expecting 
a six-lane
        intersection to become a four-way stop during a power-failure.
        Not only do I know how, but I expect it too. How about people driving 
vehicles have
        some situational awareness for walkers, joggers, canes, doggies, no 
power, bicyclists,
        etc.? Secondly, don't drive at an excessive rate of speed, you're 
breaking the law
        if you do (remember the speed limit is max authorized speed in perfect 
        Third, be in control of your vehicle (if you can't stop in time, you 
weren't). How
        hard is that?
        Steve Montgomery
        It's not an unrealistic expectation. This pedestrian didn't just jump 
out into the
        intersection expecting everyone to come to a quick stop. The solution 
is really very
        simple: EVERYONE needs to slow down, pay attention, be responsible, and 
be courteous.
        It really is not that hard.
        Gretchen Washington
        Walking around in ritchie rich repubic-an side of town you will hit, 
they all talk
        on cell phone and there fancy cars.
        Seriously... how sad and pathetic is your life? I suppose you have a 
point, in a
        way, though. A person is probably more likely to get hit by a "fancy 
car" in that
        area versus a hoopty on the South side. The distraction by being on a 
cell phone
        is probably about equal, if not a bit more so on the South side with 
        I won't go into. However, you neglected to mention the much higher 
likelihood of
        one being gunned down in a drive-by on the South side and in the 
        Jealous much? How about "justification for education" these so called 
"rich" people
        are not all republicans. They are all from different political 
backgrounds, race
        and religions. They have educated themselves so they may get the high 
paying jobs
        and afford the nice cars on the nice side of town.
        The good news is they generally have money and a decent amount of car 
insurance so
        you -- or your family -- are gonna get paid. Better than what I can say 
for the other
        side of town.
        Aww you are just mad because they are functionally literate and you are 
        Not likely she's aware of that. She's not aware of much, it appears. 
It's so bad,
        it may be an act.
        Just possibly an act. Remember tony? "Steeling jobs"?
        Same same.

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