That's a good point Lynn, we don't have a complete plan so how do we know if it is going to work for us. At the listening session I went to, when sidewalks were brought up, Heather said they were applying for federal grants, I think she called it the Tiger Grant but the problem with that is they might not get the grant and if they don't we are stuck with non accessible routs from our homes to the bus. Another interesting thing is that all the infrastructure won't be in place if Nova2010 is launched on time and won't be in place for about two years. If this is the case people will have already made there decision whether or not to use it and most likely won't give it a second chance.
This almost reminds me of an adaptive product that is released to soon. here is an example. All the shelters won't be in place from the start so this means if it rains so be it. We all know how quick a afternoon rain can come up.
Robert----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: Re: Fw: starmetro info
Star Metro is not going to know where each bus stop is this early in the game. They were still figuring out where to put some stops for the last change they just made.I would like to know what intersections the transfer points will be? What condition the sidewalks are in and the availability of audible signals at these intersections.----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: Re: Fw: starmetro infoRobert, Yes, I was expecting that each route would make a loop, and since this route is near my house also, I looked at it in particular, and was very confused as to where and when the bus went from the end back to the start. Each time they make a route change, someone (I don't know who) needs to evaluate the bus stop site for accessibility. since they're not describing the bus stops at all in these descriptive texts, I'm not even sure if that's possible right now, but how would any of us know if a particular stop requires walking along a road without sidewalks or across open parking lots? Chip ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (850) 413-6314 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI-----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Easy Talk Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:57 AM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Fw: Re: Fw: starmetro info Okay, a correction and apology. I guess Star Metro is listening. When I read the new route posting I couldn't tell that any thing had been changed to indicate that the bus would indeed come behind Publix and Books A million. Heather from Star metro sent Sila a message and clearly stated they had taken the suggestion. Here is the description for the part I am talking about. Capital Circle East Route - every 15 minutes during peak hours Village Square, South on Maclay Boulevard, East on Market Street, under the flyover, South on Capital Circle, West on Apalachee Parkway, Apparently the bus will start at Kellarn Center BLVD and Village Square and cross Thomasville road. I think it would be helpful if we had a starting location/intersection for each route and if the bus goes east which is left say east-left. Tallahassee can be confusing directionally in some parts and especially if you are traveling in an area you aren't use to. Robert----- Original Message ----- From: "Easy Talk" <easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [tabi] Re: Fw: starmetro info > This is pretty shallow thinking, Yes people rent cars or use cabs, can > you guess why, there is no bus. What other choice do they have. > > Also I guess going to the listening session didn't do any good. I ask > them to make the loop on village square behind Publix to no avail. It > seems like they would listen to my request since going behind Publix would > be the side where cypress point apartments are located and the complex has > 300 units. > > I say considering the facts we have so far and the unwillingness of Star > Metro to listen to what the tax payers want that we stand against the > Nova210 plan and start writing to city commissioners now to try and kill > the beast. > > Robert >> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn@xxxxxxxxxxx>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:04 PM > Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: starmetro info > > >> at the first meeting I went to the airport question was brought up. It >> was broken down into three groups >> >> students come and go at the beginning and end of school terms. It is hard >> to schedule buses around this. >> Business travelers use their own transportation either rent a car or cab. >> The same thing for tourist. >> Busses need to be on a regular schedule each hour. Plains need to match >> the bus schedule or vice versa. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Easy Talk" <easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:12 AM >> Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: starmetro info >> >> >>> They also don't go to the airport which is a city property and could >>> have the potential for more riders. >>> >>> Robert>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mister Blackjack" <misterblackjack2@xxxxxxxxx>>>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:29 AM >>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: starmetro info >>> >>> >>>> That would be counter productive. They should go to all major places >>>> like >>>> the civic center Tallahassee museum , the malls and libraries and such. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Blackjack >>>> misterblackjack2@xxxxxxxxx >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Lynn Evans >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:25 PM >>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: starmetro info >>>> >>>> I would hope businesses world scream bloody murder also. I know the >>>> Tallahassee Museum will no longer receive bus service under the new >>>> plan. >>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:51 AM >>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: starmetro info >>>> >>>> >>>>> you know, receivership means only that it will continue to operate; >>>>> that's not a valid reason for refusing to serve it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Chip Orange >>>>> Database Administrator >>>>> Florida Public Service Commission >>>>> >>>>> Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> (850) 413-6314 >>>>> >>>>> (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not >>>>> necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>>> ericamccaul@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:39 AM >>>>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [tabi] Re: Fw: starmetro info >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert & others, >>>>>> Erica here. I passed this info to Sila. I got if from Owen, who >>>>>> obtained it from StarMetro directly. >>>>>> And, yes, seniors, disabled, and school-age children all pay >>>>>> 60 cents. >>>>>> I'm pretty sure-- but not positive-- that when a discounted fare is >>>>>> deposited, the driver has to push a key-- presumably one of these 3 >>>>>> categories-- to have the fare box accept it as a valid fare. >>>>>> These figures and percentages are from 2008. >>>>>> Interestingly, also from 2008, 29,979 people boarded at Governor's >>>>>> Square Mall; that's over 85 people per day. There were about 25,000 >>>>>> people boarding at Tallahassee Mall. There still seems to be no >>>>>> concession from StarMetro on going into the malls. The argument for >>>>>> Tallahassee Mall, of course, is that since it is already in >>>>>> recievership (close to being bankrupt), why bother? This is NOT, >>>>>> however, a valid argument, of course, for Governor's Square. >>>>>> Another tidbit: In 2008, the malls were the only 2 stops >>>>>> among the top >>>>>> 20 (most boardings) which were not campus stops (FSU,FAMU, and TCC-- >>>>>> don't recall the order). So, 1) this jives with the 76% of>>>>>> riders being >>>>>> students figure, and 2) makes it all the more ridiculous that >>>>>> they are >>>>>> refusing to go into the malls! The manager at Gov. Square said he is >>>>>> totally in favor of the buses continuing to come into "his" mall... >>>>>> StarMetro is going to try to make the mall put up any money >>>>>> that would >>>>>> be needed for "improvements" to make the parking lot traverse safe. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Easy Talk <easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 12:09 pm >>>>>> Subject: [tabi] Fw: starmetro info >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is a message Sila sent to me. Not sure where she got the info >>>>>> though. >>>>>> I find it interesting that Star metro has such stats available. I >>>>>> guess >>>>>> they get them from the fair boxes and sales of bus passes but if the >>>>>> disabled fair and seniors pay the same, how do they determine between >>>>>> the >>>>>> two. That said not counting the regular riders approximately 14.3 >>>>>> percent >>>>>> of riders could be disenfranchised and most certainly some of >>>>>> the other >>>>>> riders. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Sila Miller" <MillerSi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> To: <easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <silam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:10 AM >>>>>> Subject: starmetro info >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 89 thousand seniors >>>>>> 53 thousand disabled >>>>>> out of the 4.2 million >>>>>> 3 quarters of those were covered under university contracts >>>>>> Thus out of the approximate 1 million left, >>>>>> 5.3 percent disabled >>>>>> 9 percent seniors >>>>>> so, disabled not such a small percentage after all >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Check out the TABI resource web page at >>>>>> http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI >>>>>> and please make suggestions for new material. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org >>>>>> web interface, or by sending an email to the address >>>>>> tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the >>>>>> subject. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Check out the TABI resource web page at >>>>>> http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI >>>>>> and please make suggestions for new material. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the >>>>>> freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the >>>>>> address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >>>>>> "unsubscribe" in the subject. >>>>>> >>>>> Check out the TABI resource web page at >>>>> http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI >>>>> and please make suggestions for new material. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org >>>>> web >>>>> interface, or by sending an email to the address >>>>> tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject. >>>> >>>> Check out the TABI resource web page at >>>> http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI >>>> and please make suggestions for new material. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org >>>> web >>>> interface, or by sending an email to the address >>>> tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject. >>>> >>>> Check out the TABI resource web page at >>>> http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI >>>> and please make suggestions for new material. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org >>>> web interface, or by sending an email to the address >>>> tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject. >>> >>> Check out the TABI resource web page at >>> http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI >>> and please make suggestions for new material. >>> >>> >>> >>> if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web >>> interface, or by sending an email to the address >>> tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject. >> >> Check out the TABI resource web page at >> http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI >> and please make suggestions for new material. >> >> >> >> if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web >> interface, or by sending an email to the address >> tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject. > Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI and please make suggestions for new material. if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.and please make suggestions for new material.if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABIand please make suggestions for new material.if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.
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