Hi Kevin, First, thanks for your time commitment and service on the TAC on behalf of people who are blind in Tallahassee. Yes please, will you put the list together with Erica's help and present it? Of course, this doesn't mean the rest of us don't need to attend and support whatever stands and opinions we hold to the Commission's meeting. For your convenience and for the rest of our review, I have taken the liberty of reposting Erica's list below. (Thank you also Erica) Everyone have a good day! Sila I have concluded from what I've seen on TABI that 2 camps have emerged: 1) All transfer point intersections, other intersections used to get to/from stops (for example, 7th and Monroe, needed to get to the Senior Center), and stops themselves need to be as accessible as possible BEFORE this plan is implemented. That means the money needs to be both procured AND spent on sidewalks, crosswalks, signals & audible signals BEFORE buses start rolling by. Routes should be reconfigured to eliminate the need for crossing a) mall parking lots [Read: Go into the malls.], and b) busy streets where there is no traffic control [Read: Go into Miccosukee Hills Apartments, since otherwise patrons traveling toward downtown would be required to jaw walk Miccosukee Rd. where there is no traffic light, endangering themselves and holding up traffic.] Not only would this make the playing field level for the disabled and elderly, but it would be a HUGE SELLING POINT to attract the heretofore car-bound: "You will never have to stand in the mud or risk falling in a ditch. Crossings will be clearly marked and signaled." There is a subset of this group who believe that one or both of these technologies should be requirements as well: a) some sort of locating beacon for sign-only bus stops, and/or b) a GPS-based system on-board the buses for announcing stops/cross-streets. 2) All transfer points should be scaled-down versions of C.K.Steele Plaza-- covered, off-road, requiring no street or parking lot crossings, and preferably manned. This would ensure ADA compliance, and would be an even greater selling point to the general public: "Transferring buses is as comfortable as getting into your car in your garage." Realizing that this option is far from cost-neutral, I think the conclusion is that the switch should be postponed until revenue is available for it. BOTH camps are concerned about Nova's impact on Dial-a-Ride, both in terms of 1) Overburdening, due to an influx of previous bus riders who now feel they would be safer on Dial-a-Ride, and 2) underfunding, due to bus fare going down to $1 and pushing Dial-a-Ride fare down to $2. While everyone wants to save some change, no one who uses Dial-a-Ride wants to be without it. From: daviska9 To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together This is Kevin Davis. My wife, who many of you know is Laurie Davis. This was an attempt to take the various concerns and put them all in one place for the TAC to have during and after the Working group meets. I know that not everyone thinks the same on this group. I am one of them. I am trying hard not to put in my own opinions in this listing. I am basically for the new system despite the shortcomings. Now, if there is no real objections, I will take Erica's corrections and clean this up and submit it to the TAC for considerations along with the rest of the information that others on the TAC(Transportation Advisory Committee) have been collecting form other interest groups, and it will be seriously reviewed. If on the other hand, you feel it is just not enough, and you'd prefer to go to the commission on your own, individually, then by all means let me know and I won't bother. I will endeavor to vote with what information is in front of us at the time. Let me know, and Y'all have a nice day. Kevin Davis -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allison and Chip Orange Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:05 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together Sure William, you're right. I thought however he was just going to list any concern that anyone may have mentioned. Kevin, was that the idea? Chip -----Original Message----- From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of blindwilly Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:02 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together David, Not everyone on this list thinks the same. We have very differing openions. William Benjamin ----- Original Message ----- From: daviska9 <mailto:daviska9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:38 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together Is what I've written a sufficient representation of the views? I want to make sure I am representing and characterizing this correctly. Let me know, thanks. Kevin ________________________________ From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chip Orange Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:01 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together Yes, Kevin, I too would appreciate it if you would provide a summary at the public meetings, of the issues raised here. thank you. Chip ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (850) 413-6314 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) ________________________________ From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of daviska9 Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:57 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together This is the first I've heard from anyone concerning my post. What I am offering to do, as a member of the City Commissions Transportation Advisory Committee, is to present a consolidated statement from this group to that board. This will be added to the results of the working group planned for January, that will also include discussions on all of the topics listed. I will not present this unless I have a green light from the members of this group. I am not stating my views, but those of the TABI/Blind community. Y'all let me know what you want to do. I would recommend doing it soon so the statement can be read and added to other materials for the TAC to review. ________________________________ From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darla J. Rogers Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:22 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Bringing all the issues together Dear Kevin, That would probably be a good idea, but some may think something like you are stating, might be slanted. I actually believe Star Metro understands the problems very well; it is the other city departments who need to get on the same page to get the APS's, sidewalks, better lighting, etc., and we should probably make our views known by addressing the city commissioners, Mayor Marks, city manager, etc. Darla ----- Original Message ----- From: daviska9 <mailto:daviska9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: [tabi] Bringing all the issues together Good Afternoon All, I have been monitoring the discussions for and against NOVA 2010, first through Laurie, and now I have joined TABI. I wonder if some of you would be willing to help me get all of the points, both pro and con, put together in one posting. I will then forward that to the Transportation Advisory Committee(TAC), of which I am a part. The TAC is very interested in the safety issues involved, and have been reviewing these even before NOVA 2010 was presented to us. We are a part of the city commission, and not a part of StarMetro. We are due to make a recommendation one way or the other to the commission after the first of the year, and I want to make sure all of the information that can be is put on the table. I may not be perfect, but I am trying to be neutral and represent the interests if the visually impaired on the TAC. You should know that the new system provides Laurie and I with some VERY positive benefits. That interest is only one piece that I present to the TAC. If you are willing, a consolidated list of your views would be very helpful to me. Let me know what you think. There is a little known "be attitude" Blessed be the flexible, for they will bend and not break:-). Hope to hear from you all soon Kevin Davis Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI and please make suggestions for new material. if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.