[tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
- From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:17:43 -0400
We're all repeating ourselves by now, therefore, I declare the subject to be
closed.
Thank you.
Chip
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From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:00 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
Sorry, that doesn't wash. The topics of discussion were were always
public knowledge. People didn't bother to show up; now they want to
complain. Too bad, so sad, cry me a river.
If I am in the know (there are those who would question that statement,
by the way) it is only because I put myself there by... showing up,
speaking up, etc. Write your commissioners, StarMetro staff, whoever.
Show up on their doorstep, whatever it takes. Make 'em groan when they
see you coming.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 3:52 pm
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
If the topics under discussion were posted, then I'm sure a lot more
people would have shown up or spoken up. Don't assume that just because
you're in the know, or you're lucky enough to be able to get there, that
everyone else is.
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:40 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
There are always lessons to be learned and the lesson to be learned
from this whole affair is... Show up. Speak up. If you don't, then
don't complain about what happens when others do show up and speak up
and they don't do what you would have preferred.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 3:19 pm
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
Erica, You may make any demands you like; but this is just your
opinion. Anyone else is free to put forth their opinions as well, so I
wish all others to know this is not the moderator requesting that you
keep silent. Furthermore, other people’s opinions aren’t “excuses”,
nor are they “whining or crying”. This is sailing very close to a
personal attack when you begin to describe others in such terms. You
and/or I am free to offer our opinions at any time, which includes
thank you’s after the fact and opinions as to where things could have
been done better. If you’ll check my original post you’ll see my first
line says it’s good to have braille signage. I also congratulated John
Plescow on all that he did in getting us the signage. Twice after that
I said that it’s was only my opinion that the braille was awkward to
read. One reason I said that is to encourage more public discussion of
decisions in the future. I am by no means encouraging everyone to
“keep silent if you don’t like it”, that’s entirely opposite to the
philosophy of TABI, which has always encouraged communication. It’s
good you are so happy with everything, but there are always lessons to
be learned when things don’t go perfectly, but only if you admit to
them and freely discuss them. Silencing everyone who has anything to
offer afterwards smacks of how they do things in other countries, but
not here. Chip From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Erica
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:15 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; brian.waterman@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Braille signage-- demand and offer I am going to make
an offer and a demand for the folks subscribed to TABI.
There has been some hugh and cry regarding a perceived lack of
information about the process used to determine how/if Braille signage
should be included in Starmetro's attempts to improve our bus service.
Many venues for information are open to the general public, including--
perhaps most obviously-- the City's Press Releases, which can be
accessed through Talgov.com. Lynn Evans has done a wonderful job of
faithfully and timely posting these to TABI... so there should be no
excuses here about not having access to that information in the past.
(Lynn, I am in no way obligating you to continue this service... but I
certainly want to publicly thank you for all you have done!)
IF, however, you still are uninformed, AND WISH TO BE, please email me
off-line and I will provide you with a list of information sources.
If you choose not to get involved--
do not make an effort to inform yourself,
cannot find it in your schedule to make your voice heard in a
productive manner--
THEN HERE IS MY DEMAND:
please remain silent about such issues.
Starmetro has done a wonderful job in their efforts to get Braille
signage to little ol' Tallahassee!
There have been a few snags, yes, but every pioneer has faced such
challenges.
Startmetro DOES NOT NEED TO HEAR whining and crying at this point about
opportunities individuals missed to have their input heard, or about a
"better way" to do something they have already completed. That is no
way to show our gratitude for their efforts, not to mention the efforts
of the citizens who were involved. Starmetro NEEDS to hear "Thank you!"
IT IS DONE. IT HAS BEEN DONE AS WELL AS WE-- Starmetro staff and
involved citizens-- COULD POSSIBLY FORESEE AND PLAN.
And, NO, in case you are wondering, it was not just 3 or 4 local folks
stabbing in the dark; Department of Transportation and other national
standards were consulted. (Thank you to Lynda Jones!)
If you don't use the bus, then you will never have to worry about your
hand getting a cramp from reading sideways.
However, for those of us who do ride, this will be a HUGE help! I'm
sure we are smart enough to read Braille "sideways", just as sightlings
adapt to signs written vertically.
Let's move forward with positive comments only.
just like Thumper's father told him, "If you can't say anything nice,
don't say nothin' at all."
Erica
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