[tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
- From: "Easy Talk" <Easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:34:34 -0400
Just to set the record straight, I did talk to Star Metro when I heard about
the Braille signage and pointed out the fact that we needed tactile markers to
locate the bus stops and if we didn't have them the Braille signs would be
useless if we can't find the signs. To me that seems like common sense. I
like the idea of Braille signs but firmly believe that tactile markers should
have came first. As chip pointed out, the next text numbers don't give any
more information than the bus schedule and I have that in Braille although it
is constantly out of date.
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: Chip Orange
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:19 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
Erica,
You may make any demands you like; but this is just your opinion. Anyone
else is free to put forth their opinions as well, so I wish all others to know
this is not the moderator requesting that you keep silent.
Furthermore, other people's opinions aren't "excuses", nor are they "whining
or crying". This is sailing very close to a personal attack when you begin to
describe others in such terms.
You and/or I am free to offer our opinions at any time, which includes thank
you's after the fact and opinions as to where things could have been done
better.
If you'll check my original post you'll see my first line says it's good to
have braille signage. I also congratulated John Plescow on all that he did in
getting us the signage.
Twice after that I said that it's was only my opinion that the braille was
awkward to read.
One reason I said that is to encourage more public discussion of decisions in
the future. I am by no means encouraging everyone to "keep silent if you don't
like it", that's entirely opposite to the philosophy of TABI, which has always
encouraged communication.
It's good you are so happy with everything, but there are always lessons to
be learned when things don't go perfectly, but only if you admit to them and
freely discuss them. Silencing everyone who has anything to offer afterwards
smacks of how they do things in other countries, but not here.
Chip
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Erica
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:15 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; brian.waterman@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Braille signage-- demand and offer
I am going to make an offer and a demand for the folks subscribed to TABI.
There has been some hugh and cry regarding a perceived lack of information
about the process used to determine how/if Braille signage should be included
in Starmetro's attempts to improve our bus service.
Many venues for information are open to the general public, including--
perhaps most obviously-- the City's Press Releases, which can be accessed
through Talgov.com. Lynn Evans has done a wonderful job of faithfully and
timely posting these to TABI... so there should be no excuses here about not
having access to that information in the past. (Lynn, I am in no way obligating
you to continue this service... but I certainly want to publicly thank you for
all you have done!)
IF, however, you still are uninformed, AND WISH TO BE, please email me
off-line and I will provide you with a list of information sources.
If you choose not to get involved--
do not make an effort to inform yourself,
cannot find it in your schedule to make your voice heard in a productive
manner--
THEN HERE IS MY DEMAND:
please remain silent about such issues.
Starmetro has done a wonderful job in their efforts to get Braille signage to
little ol' Tallahassee!
There have been a few snags, yes, but every pioneer has faced such
challenges.
Startmetro DOES NOT NEED TO HEAR whining and crying at this point about
opportunities individuals missed to have their input heard, or about a "better
way" to do something they have already completed. That is no way to show our
gratitude for their efforts, not to mention the efforts of the citizens who
were involved. Starmetro NEEDS to hear "Thank you!"
IT IS DONE. IT HAS BEEN DONE AS WELL AS WE-- Starmetro staff and involved
citizens-- COULD POSSIBLY FORESEE AND PLAN.
And, NO, in case you are wondering, it was not just 3 or 4 local folks
stabbing in the dark; Department of Transportation and other national standards
were consulted. (Thank you to Lynda Jones!)
If you don't use the bus, then you will never have to worry about your hand
getting a cramp from reading sideways.
However, for those of us who do ride, this will be a HUGE help! I'm sure we
are smart enough to read Braille "sideways", just as sightlings adapt to signs
written vertically.
Let's move forward with positive comments only.
just like Thumper's father told him, "If you can't say anything nice, don't
say nothin' at all."
Erica
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