[tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer

  • From: "Easy Talk" <Easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:34:34 -0400

Just to set the record straight, I did talk to Star Metro when I heard about 
the Braille signage and pointed out the fact that we needed tactile markers to 
locate the bus stops and if we didn't have them the Braille signs would be 
useless if we can't find the signs.  To me that seems like common sense.  I 
like the idea of Braille signs but firmly believe that tactile markers should 
have came first.  As chip pointed out, the next text numbers don't give any 
more information than the bus schedule and I have that in Braille although it 
is constantly out of date.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chip Orange 
  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:19 PM
  Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer



  You may make any demands you like; but this is just your opinion.  Anyone 
else is free to put forth their opinions as well, so I wish all others to know 
this is not the moderator requesting that you keep silent.  


  Furthermore, other people's opinions aren't "excuses", nor are they "whining 
or crying".  This is sailing very close to a personal attack when you begin to 
describe others in such terms.


  You and/or I am free to offer our opinions at any time, which includes thank 
you's after the fact and opinions as to where things could have been done 


  If you'll check my original post you'll see my first line says it's good to 
have braille signage.  I also congratulated John Plescow on all that he did in 
getting us the signage.


  Twice after that I said that it's was only my opinion that the braille  was 
awkward to read.


  One reason I said that is to encourage more public discussion of decisions in 
the future.  I am by no means encouraging everyone to "keep silent if you don't 
like it", that's entirely opposite to the philosophy of TABI, which has always 
encouraged communication.


  It's good you are so happy with everything, but there are always lessons to 
be learned when things don't go perfectly, but only if you admit to them and 
freely discuss them.  Silencing everyone who has anything to offer afterwards 
smacks of how they do things in other countries, but not here.





  From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Erica
  Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:15 PM
  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; brian.waterman@xxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [tabi] Braille signage-- demand and offer


  I am going to make an offer and a demand for the folks subscribed to TABI.

  There has been some hugh and cry regarding a perceived lack of information 
about the process used to determine how/if Braille signage should be included 
in Starmetro's attempts to improve our bus service.
  Many venues for information are open to the general public, including-- 
perhaps most obviously-- the City's Press Releases, which can be accessed 
through Talgov.com. Lynn Evans has done a wonderful job of faithfully and 
timely posting these to TABI... so there should be no excuses here about not 
having access to that information in the past. (Lynn, I am in no way obligating 
you to continue this service... but I certainly want to publicly thank you for 
all you have done!)
  IF, however, you still are uninformed, AND WISH TO BE, please email me 
off-line and I will provide you with a list of information sources.
  If you choose not to get involved--
  do not make an effort to inform yourself, 
  cannot find it in your schedule to make your voice heard in a productive 
  please remain silent about such issues.

  Starmetro has done a wonderful job in their efforts to get Braille signage to 
little ol' Tallahassee! 
  There have been a few snags, yes, but every pioneer has faced such 
  Startmetro DOES NOT NEED TO HEAR whining and crying at this point about 
opportunities individuals missed to have their input heard, or about a "better 
way" to do something they have already completed. That is no way to show our 
gratitude for their efforts, not to mention the efforts of the citizens who 
were involved. Starmetro NEEDS to hear "Thank you!"
  IT IS DONE. IT HAS BEEN DONE AS WELL AS WE-- Starmetro staff and involved 
  And, NO, in case you are wondering, it was not just 3 or 4 local folks 
stabbing in the dark; Department of Transportation and other national standards 
were consulted. (Thank you to Lynda Jones!)
  If you don't use the bus, then you will never have to worry about your hand 
getting a cramp from reading sideways. 
  However, for those of us who do ride, this will be a HUGE help! I'm sure we 
are smart enough to read Braille "sideways", just as sightlings adapt to signs 
written vertically.
  Let's move forward with positive comments only. 
  just like Thumper's father told him, "If you can't say anything nice, don't 
say nothin' at all."


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