[tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
- From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:10:23 -0400
That's not low at all; when someone flaunts how rude they can be, and how they
won't follow the list rules, it's standard practice to place their posts on
moderation (where each post is reviewed before being posted). He is not
prevented from participating.
Most lists don't even allow list policy questions such as this to be discussed
on list, but I think it's important for people to understand that at a minimum,
if we disagree, we have to do so politely and professionally.
-----Original Message-----
From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
blindwilly
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:54 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
That's pretty low, Chip.
William Benjamin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip and Allie Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:54 PM
Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
> All moderators have to deal, at some time, with list members who refuse to
> follow rules.
>
> This response just earned you a probationary status.
>
> Chip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:00 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
>
> It's good to be the king! Even when you're wrong.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chip Orange <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 4:18 pm
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
>
> We're all repeating ourselves by now, therefore, I declare the subject to
> be closed.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Chip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:00 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
>
> Sorry, that doesn't wash. The topics of discussion were were always public
> knowledge. People didn't bother to show up; now they want to complain. Too
> bad, so sad, cry me a river.
>
> If I am in the know (there are those who would question that statement,
>
> by the way) it is only because I put myself there by... showing up,
> speaking up, etc. Write your commissioners, StarMetro staff, whoever.
> Show up on their doorstep, whatever it takes. Make 'em groan when they see
> you coming.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chip Orange <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 3:52 pm
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
>
> If the topics under discussion were posted, then I'm sure a lot more
> people would have shown up or spoken up. Don't assume that just because
>
> you're in the know, or you're lucky enough to be able to get there, that
>
> everyone else is.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of mccaulo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:40 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
>
> There are always lessons to be learned and the lesson to be learned from
> this whole affair is... Show up. Speak up. If you don't, then don't
> complain about what happens when others do show up and speak up and they
> don't do what you would have preferred.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chip Orange <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tabi <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 3:19 pm
> Subject: [tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer
>
> Erica, You may make any demands you like; but this is just your opinion.
> Anyone else is free to put forth their opinions as well, so I wish all
> others to know this is not the moderator requesting that you keep silent.
> Furthermore, other people’s opinions aren’t “excuses”, nor are they
> “whining or crying”. This is sailing very close to a personal attack when
> you begin to describe others in such terms. You and/or I am free to offer
> our opinions at any time, which includes thank you’s after the fact and
> opinions as to where things could have been done better. If you’ll check
> my original post you’ll see my first line says it’s good to have braille
> signage. I also congratulated John Plescow on all that he did in getting
> us the signage. Twice after that I said that it’s was only my opinion that
> the braille was awkward to read. One reason I said that is to encourage
> more public discussion of decisions in the future. I am by no means
> encouraging everyone
> to “keep silent if you don’t like it”, that’s entirely opposite to the
> philosophy of TABI, which has always encouraged communication. It’s good
> you are so happy with everything, but there are always lessons to be
> learned when things don’t go perfectly, but only if you admit to them and
> freely discuss them. Silencing everyone who has anything to offer
> afterwards smacks of how they do things in other countries, but not here.
> Chip From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Erica
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:15 PM
> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; brian.waterman@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tabi] Braille signage-- demand and offer I am going to make an
> offer and a demand for the folks subscribed to TABI.
>
> There has been some hugh and cry regarding a perceived lack of information
> about the process used to determine how/if Braille signage should be
> included in Starmetro's attempts to improve our bus service.
> Many venues for information are open to the general public, including--
> perhaps most obviously-- the City's Press Releases, which can be accessed
> through Talgov.com. Lynn Evans has done a wonderful job of faithfully and
> timely posting these to TABI... so there should be no excuses here about
> not having access to that information in the past.
> (Lynn, I am in no way obligating you to continue this service... but I
> certainly want to publicly thank you for all you have done!) IF, however,
> you still are uninformed, AND WISH TO BE, please email me off-line and I
> will provide you with a list of information sources.
> If you choose not to get involved--
> do not make an effort to inform yourself, cannot find it in your schedule
> to make your voice heard in a productive manner-- THEN HERE IS MY DEMAND:
> please remain silent about such issues.
>
> Starmetro has done a wonderful job in their efforts to get Braille signage
> to little ol' Tallahassee!
> There have been a few snags, yes, but every pioneer has faced such
> challenges.
> Startmetro DOES NOT NEED TO HEAR whining and crying at this point about
> opportunities individuals missed to have their input heard, or about a
> "better way" to do something they have already completed. That is no way
> to show our gratitude for their efforts, not to mention the efforts of the
> citizens who were involved. Starmetro NEEDS to hear "Thank you!"
> IT IS DONE. IT HAS BEEN DONE AS WELL AS WE-- Starmetro staff and involved
> citizens-- COULD POSSIBLY FORESEE AND PLAN.
> And, NO, in case you are wondering, it was not just 3 or 4 local folks
> stabbing in the dark; Department of Transportation and other national
> standards were consulted. (Thank you to Lynda Jones!) If you don't use the
> bus, then you will never have to worry about your hand getting a cramp
> from reading sideways.
> However, for those of us who do ride, this will be a HUGE help! I'm sure
> we are smart enough to read Braille "sideways", just as sightlings adapt
> to signs written vertically.
> Let's move forward with positive comments only.
> just like Thumper's father told him, "If you can't say anything nice,
> don't say nothin' at all."
> Erica
>
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Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI
and please make suggestions for new material.
if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web
interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.
Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI
and please make suggestions for new material.
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