[tabi] Re: Braille signage-- demand and offer

  • From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:19:43 -0400



You may make any demands you like; but this is just your opinion.
Anyone else is free to put forth their opinions as well, so I wish all
others to know this is not the moderator requesting that you keep


Furthermore, other people's opinions aren't "excuses", nor are they
"whining or crying".  This is sailing very close to a personal attack
when you begin to describe others in such terms.


You and/or I am free to offer our opinions at any time, which includes
thank you's after the fact and opinions as to where things could have
been done better.


If you'll check my original post you'll see my first line says it's good
to have braille signage.  I also congratulated John Plescow on all that
he did in getting us the signage.


Twice after that I said that it's was only my opinion that the braille
was awkward to read.


One reason I said that is to encourage more public discussion of
decisions in the future.  I am by no means encouraging everyone to "keep
silent if you don't like it", that's entirely opposite to the philosophy
of TABI, which has always encouraged communication.


It's good you are so happy with everything, but there are always lessons
to be learned when things don't go perfectly, but only if you admit to
them and freely discuss them.  Silencing everyone who has anything to
offer afterwards smacks of how they do things in other countries, but
not here.





From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Erica
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:15 PM
To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; brian.waterman@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tabi] Braille signage-- demand and offer


I am going to make an offer and a demand for the folks subscribed to

There has been some hugh and cry regarding a perceived lack of
information about the process used to determine how/if Braille signage
should be included in Starmetro's attempts to improve our bus service.
Many venues for information are open to the general public, including--
perhaps most obviously-- the City's Press Releases, which can be
accessed through Talgov.com. Lynn Evans has done a wonderful job of
faithfully and timely posting these to TABI... so there should be no
excuses here about not having access to that information in the past.
(Lynn, I am in no way obligating you to continue this service... but I
certainly want to publicly thank you for all you have done!)
IF, however, you still are uninformed, AND WISH TO BE, please email me
off-line and I will provide you with a list of information sources.
If you choose not to get involved--
do not make an effort to inform yourself, 
cannot find it in your schedule to make your voice heard in a productive
please remain silent about such issues.

Starmetro has done a wonderful job in their efforts to get Braille
signage to little ol' Tallahassee! 
There have been a few snags, yes, but every pioneer has faced such
Startmetro DOES NOT NEED TO HEAR whining and crying at this point about
opportunities individuals missed to have their input heard, or about a
"better way" to do something they have already completed. That is no way
to show our gratitude for their efforts, not to mention the efforts of
the citizens who were involved. Starmetro NEEDS to hear "Thank you!"
IT IS DONE. IT HAS BEEN DONE AS WELL AS WE-- Starmetro staff and
And, NO, in case you are wondering, it was not just 3 or 4 local folks
stabbing in the dark; Department of Transportation and other national
standards were consulted. (Thank you to Lynda Jones!)
If you don't use the bus, then you will never have to worry about your
hand getting a cramp from reading sideways. 
However, for those of us who do ride, this will be a HUGE help! I'm sure
we are smart enough to read Braille "sideways", just as sightlings adapt
to signs written vertically.
Let's move forward with positive comments only. 
just like Thumper's father told him, "If you can't say anything nice,
don't say nothin' at all."


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