[sys-func] Re: The Experiential and Logical Relational Architecture of SFL Theory

  • From: Peter White <prr.white@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "sys-func@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sys-func@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "sys-func@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sys-func@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 10:08:57 +0000

Never the twain shall meet. Me thinks contrary categorical assertions at ten 
paces.
Peter

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Dr Peter R. R. White
School of Arts and Media
University of New South Wales,
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Subject: [sys-func] Re: The Experiential and Logical Relational Architecture of 
SFL Theory

All strata instantiate!
David

Martin, J. R. (2009). Realisation, instantiation and individuation: some 
thoughts on identity in youth justice conferencing. DELTA: Documentação de 
Estudos em Lingüística Teórica e Aplicada, 25, 549-583.

Martin, J. R. (2010). Semantic variation: Modelling realisation, instantiation 
and individuation in social semiosis. New discourse on language: Functional 
perspectives on multimodality, identity, and affiliation, 1, 34.


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From: sys-func-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sys-func-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
<sys-func-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sys-func-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> on behalf 
of 데이브드켈로그_교수_영어교육과 <dkellogg60@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dkellogg60@xxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Monday, 23 May 2022 at 5:44 pm
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Subject: [sys-func] Re: The Experiential and Logical Relational Architecture of 
SFL Theory
The distinction between realization and instantiation (in Vygotsky, the 
distinction between abstraction and generalization) is actually the result of 
applying the categories of logico-semantic relationship that we apply to 
non-technical language to our own technical terms, "realization" and 
"instantiation".  So THIS is what Firth meant when he said that linguistics has 
no ontological status; it is simply language folded back on itself.

I remember how shocked I was when I first heard someone from the Sydney School 
argue that genre was "realized" as context and context was "realized" as 
discourse semantics. It only made sense to me when I heard Martin describe his 
version of systemic-functional linguistics as anti-psychological. But for that 
very reason I think that this confusion of instantiation and realization is 
really the equivalent, in SFL, of confusions of development (e.g. a child's 
semantic development) with learning (e.g. classroom discourse) in discussions 
of Vygotsky's ZPD in cultural-historical psychology.

Halliday always said that the concept of "mind" is not really necessary for 
SFL, but he never said that about consciousness.

dk

2022년 5월 23일 (월) 오전 8:04, Dr ChRIS CLÉiRIGh 
<c.cleirigh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:c.cleirigh@xxxxxxxxx>>님이 작성:
Dear Colleagues,

The following tables from Halliday & Matthiessen (1999: 145-6) might be useful 
for anyone interested in deepening their understanding of the architecture of 
SFL Theory. The first shows that realisation, the relation between strata, and 
between axes, is an elaborating (intensive) identifying relation, and that 
instantiation, the relation between text and text type/register, and between 
text type/register and language, is an elaborating (intensive) attributive 
relation.

Delicacy and rank (composition), on the other hand, can be construed as either 
identifying or attributive (ascriptive).

types of elaboration:
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types of extension:
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--

dr chris cléirigh
Teaching how to think: education
Teaching what to think: indoctrination


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