Hi Lexie
No need for alarm, just playing with Jim’s go at an iconising metaphor ‘All
strata instantiate!’
Less punchily...
A text instantiates systems in all strata
Systems in all strata instantiate as text
Repertoires individuate reservoirs in all strata
Reservoirs in all strata individuate as repertoires
Warm greetings
David
PS: K2 What are the peasants doing? K1 The peasants are revolting! ch They
certainly are!
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augh!
what are the strata doing?
the strata are individuating!
L.
On Fri, May 27, 2022 7:00 am, David Rose wrote:
Also David K
Re your desire for ‘yet another dimension--the ontogenetic’, all
strata also individuate! ... further from
Martin, J. R. (2009). Realisation, instantiation and individuation: some
thoughts on identity in youth justice conferencing. DELTA: Documentação
de Estudos em LingüÃstica Teórica e Aplicada, 25, 549-583.
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Where Halliday in the 1970s saw grammar emerging ontogenetically between
phonology and semantics, with the appearance of metafunctions, another
perspective has the content plane bifurcating into LG and DS to enable
extended exchanges.
Rose, D. (2006). A systemic functional approach to language evolution.
Cambridge Archaeological Journal, 16(1), 73-96.
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Check out Clare Painter’s work on interpersonal lg development, from a
discourse semantic perspective
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David
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Actually, Peter, I think that t'other David has put his finger on the
precise reason I can't use "discourse semantics" or "genre" in my own
work, which is about the development of language from birth to adolescence
in Korean children.
Yes, every stratum instantiates: the meaning potential of the whole system
eventually instantiates as an individual Korean idiolect, the wording
potential of the Korean language instantiates as a specific Korean clause,
and the sounding potential instantiates as a particular tonal accent. All
that's true.
But to capture how the idiolect, the clause, and the accent develop
requires yet another dimension--the ontogenetic. I usually study what
Vygotsky calls "genetic sections"--that is, moments of comparable
discourse taken in the first year of life, in early childhood, in
preschool and K through 12. Discourse semantics lies in one place on the
cline of instantiation. The kind of verbal thinking I'm interested in
tracing is further along the line, I think, and I don't see that "genre"
is helpful at all since there's no such thing as an individual genre.
I also think that the number of strata, like the points on the cline of
instantiation, depend not only on the purpose of the model but also on the
moment of development. For the first year of life, two strata (sounding
and meaning) will do. For adolescents and adults, it's often useful to
distinguish more than three strata, e.g. between phonetics (what the kids
are actually doing as measured with PRAAT) and phonology (what they think
they are doing as measured by how people react). The late, great Bill
Greaves taught me how to do this; fortunately, the book he co-authored
with Halliday (2008) is still available.
dk
