[sys-func] Re: Fwd: Reminder of conversation on Saussure.

From: Sebastián Andrés Amado <sebastianamado.sa@xxxxxxxxx>
To: sys-func@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 23:30:34 -0300

Thanks Ed!!

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El mar, 29 mar 2022 a las 21:31, Edward McDonald (<laomaa63@xxxxxxxxx>)
escribió:

Dear sysfunc'ers:

Just passing on a reminder about this Friday's Saussurean conversation,
and confirming that **on that day** 8-10am in the UK corresponds to 6-8pm
in Sydney. Interested parties in other locations can check their local
time on this handy site:

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html

best to all

Ed

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From: Gerard O'Grady <OGradyGN@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:54 PM
Subject: Reminder of conversation on Saussure.
To: <SYSFLING@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Dear all,

This is just a reminder of the previous invite pasted below. If you are
not in the UK I have copied a link to a world clock converter which should
tell you your local time.

best,

Gerard

Dear all,

Tom Bartlett and I through a joint collaboration between the University of
Glasgow and Cardiff University are delighted to invite you to a
conversation exploring the continuing relevance of Ferdinand de Saussure for
functional linguistic thinking in the 21st century. The session will
comprise 2 talks – abstracts below from Professors Paul Thibault and Ed
McDonald and be followed by a plenary forum curated by Tom and me. There
will be time for a very short Q and A session after each talk.

The session is on Friday April 1st 8:00 AM BST. (If you are in the UK/EU
coffee is most strongly recommended)

Zoom as follows:

https://cardiff.zoom.us/j/85815043660?pwd=NnVuQmJYclFLb1NVVjRXVVhvdktRZz09

Meeting ID: 858 1504 3660

Password: 681041

Best,

Gerard

*A 21st century Saussure: the Cours as read through an SFL Lens *

8:00     What we can learn from letting the “21st century Saussure” speak
to Halliday?

Professor Edward McDonald, The Compleat Wordsmith, Sydney Australia.

8:40     Saussure’s semiological phonetics: Temporality, material
dynamics and perception in *la* *parole*

Professor Paul J. Thibault, University of Agder

9:20     Forum discussion

10:00   Closing remarks.

*ABSTRACTS *

*What we can learn from letting the “21st century Saussure” speak to
Halliday?*

Edward McDonald, The Compleat Wordsmith, Sydney Australia
J.R. Firth (1890-1960) famously classified “all professional
linguists…using the name of Saussure” (1857-1913), identifying himself as
“non-Saussurean", an attitude his student M.A.K. Halliday (1925-2018)
seems largely to have shared. A recent history of linguistics, however,
Keith Allan’s *The Western Classical Tradition in Linguistics* (2007/2009),
groups Saussure and Halliday together in a chapter titled “Saussurean and
functionalist linguistics”, suggesting that Halliday's thinking resembles
Saussure’s in more ways than it differs. From a historical perspective,
it seems clear that part of what Firth and Halliday were doing was in fact
*responding* to Saussure, not *ignoring* him. On my own reading, Saussure,
like Firth and Halliday, consistently thought in terms of systems, and
through complementarities not dichotomies. In this talk, I will show how
examining the “21st century Saussure”, in other words, the broader
picture of his thinking that has emerged from newly discovered materials
only published in the early years of the millennium (Saussure 2002/2006),
allows us to better understand the concerns he shares with Halliday, and
how the insights of the London School and the Geneva School together might
suggest some alternative trajectories for both linguistics and semiotics,
many of whose developments in the 20th century have proved less than
enlightening.

*Saussure’s semiological phonetics: Temporality, material dynamics and
perception in la parole *

Paul J. Thibault, University of Agder

Jakobson (‘Saussure’s unpublished reflexions on phonemes’, 1969) first
drew attention to the existence in the Houghton Library of Harvard
University of a large body of manuscripts known as the Harvard Manuscripts.
The manuscripts are catalogued in the Houghton Library of Harvard
University as bMS Fr 266 (1) – (9). These manuscripts consist of some 638
sheets and 995 pages of material. In addition to the Saussurean
manuscripts catalogued by Godel (see *Les Sources Manuscrites du Cours de
Linguistique Générale de F. de Saussure*, 1957; ‘Inventaire des
manuscripts de F. de Saussure remis à la Bibliothèque Publique et
Universitaire de Genève’, 1960) and stored in the *Bibliotheque Publique
et Universitaire* in Geneva, the Harvard Manuscripts constitute an
important resource in the study of Saussure’s thinking. In Saussure's *Harvard
Manuscripts *time and the temporal dynamics of *la parole *emerges as an
important concern rather than diachronic and evolutionary perspective on
time which is internal to the language system, or *langue.* Saussure shows
that the material dynamics of l*a parole* and their perception are
inextricably linked to time. I will explore some aspects of Saussure's
efforts to transcend the linear conception of time as mere succession of
elements along a line.
.

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