Re: [steem] Classic Video Games Make a Comeback, Thanks Mike
- From: Neil Davis <janeil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: steem@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:13:04 -0400
Thanks from me too, Mike,
It's an honor hearing from someone on the actual st developement team.
Your insights into dialogs/windows re Gem and Windows are interesting.
Just to get back to steem, the LaserC ide runs just fine under steem,
I've re-compiled a number of my old apps, which also work flawlessly
under steem. I recall that I couldn't get LaserC to run on the original
gemulater card I got on my first windows box from toad computers back in
'96.
Also, yes, when I bought my first 1040st, the macs were still black and
white only, and 512K of memory. The pc world was still dos, but there
were some fairly well-used dos windowed environments, I think something
called desqview?
Steem rocks.
Neil
Lance J Armstrong wrote:
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> Mike,
> Thanks for setting me straight about the windows thing Mike.
> Seems like a lot of my friends also didn't know this either. Back
> when we got our ST's running GEM, I remember how much we
> wanted a similar graphical environment on our PC's at work. And
> I remember waiting and waiting, and then finally it appeared.
> I was also told that Atari didn't have the greatest marketing and
> thus it lost the market. That was too bad. I remember hearing
> this too, that before MAC developers would release their software,
> they'd test it out good on an ST first before they felt comfortable with
> it. Hummmmmm makes you wonder..... I bought my 1st Atari over
> a MAC basically because it already had MIDI built in (smart thinking
> there!)
> and because of the price, and I think the Atari had a color screen 1st.
> But then I could be wrong about that too. Except that I do
> know in the Dallas area, color ST's were available here 1st.
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> I played in a band called "Orion" for several years in the DFW area.
> I guess you'd have to call us a computer band, even though there were
> 3 live musicians and a lead singer. I had two Atari's on stage,
> one running the light show automatically, and the other running
> all the MIDI gear, and I had an Apple IIe doing a lot of real time MIDI
> utilities
> stuff. The guys who developed Laser, a great Atari ST windows
> type development package, owned a local club and kept us pretty busy
> for a year and a half, once they saw us blow into their club the 1st time
> with all the computer gear. One guy said it looked like the stock market
> up
> on stage as I had 5 monitors in a row set up high on the keyboard racks.
> It was a crazy time.
> Remember the animated big bird and other Sesame characters that you
> could
> put a cassette in the back of and they'd talk? I had them rigged up
> thru our Nova
> MIDI light show system, and hooked that all up to our ST's and sync'd
> their mouths
> to the chorus parts in our songs. One big bird was fed from the lead
> singers mic,
> so whatever he sang, the big birds mouth followed him in sync. We once
> ticked off
> the lead singer one time by turning off his spot light, and leaving the
> Big Bird's spot on.
> We had the Atari's running all the spot lights and all other sorts of
> crazy manner, and
> had people falling out of their chairs laughing when they saw it all.
> We had a sign that
> said, "Don't Drink and Listen to our ST's".
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> Well.....we couldn't have done all that without our ST's. The fact
> that they already
> had MIDI already built into them was the instigating element that started
> us off on
> all this funny business. I miss those days.
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> Thanks for the reply Mike.
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> LA
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> "Mike Fulton"
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> Lance, your message says Atari had the Windows environment "many many years
> before" and that Bill Gates "stole" the Windows idea and put it on the PC.
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> The release of the PC version of Windows was delayed, for a wide variety of
> reasons, so it didn't actually hit the market until after the Atari ST was
> on sale. But it was in development LONG before the Atari ST existed in any
> form.
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> I guess you're not aware that the Tramiels negotiated with Microsoft to put
> WINDOWS on the Atari ST computer *before* they spoke to Digital Research
> (DRI) about GEM. They ended up going with GEM in large part because DRI
> also had CPM68K already running on the 68000 processor, and Atari still
> needed a DOS. Microsoft had nothing similar to offer for the 68000
> processor, and despite how they might have felt about GEM versus Windows,
> Atari wouldn't have been able to get the machine to market on schedule if
> they had to write their own DOS from scratch. So they went with DRI.
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> Mike Fulton
> (Former Atari employee)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: steem-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:steem-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Lance J Armstrong
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:09 AM
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> Atari had the Windows environment many many years before it finally started
> appearing on PC's. In case the youngsters out don't know the truth about
> Gates, Gates 'STOLE' the Windows idea and put it on the PC, and he got
> away
> with it. That's right, Mr. Rich Man Gates, alias "the Thief", didn't
> come up with the idea, he stole it from the guys who did. Just look at
> the
> Atari TOS environment.
> Windows looks so much like it it isn't funny. Well, there you have it.
> As you know
> in this world we live in, money rules.
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> ...
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> LA
> Plano, Tx
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