OK, i'm still having trouble with the ftp. I've done this on older distributions but they seem to have changed a lot of stuff on the newer ones. i've started over with a fresh install of turbolinux workstation 6.0. got the network up ping works, rsh works. ftp gets: 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection. in the log file(server side) i'm getting an error: agusta rlogind[318]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_cracklib.so) agusta rlogind[318]: PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so: undefined symbol: crypt] agusta rlogind[318]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so agusta pam_rhosts_auth[318]: denied to phrostie@xxxxxxxxxx as phrostie: access not allowed before i go changing something can some one explain to me or give me a link to explain to me what is is that i'm looking at. -- pfrostie@xxxxxxxxx Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of Dos and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy