for anyone who is interested. my final solution was called plugger which makes netscape think xanim is a plugin. works on older quicktime's but not all of the newer ones(or the one i wanted) :-( -- pfrostie@xxxxxxxxx Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of Dos and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://freelists.dhs.org/lists/snafuu.html http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy